11 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

he's likely to request a trade at the end of the year at this rate, and who could blame him. we've gone backwards and our delivery inside 50 is the worst in the comp.

I find it amazing that any of our so-called footballers would call for a trade at the end of the year based on the team performing like crud - aren't they all individually and collectively responsible for their cr@p performances  

If this is the reason they want out I say F%^k off out we don't won't pathetic excuse makers anymore at MFC - what we do want is people who can actually perform gameday - Sam is certainly not going close to ticking that box irrespective of the less than perfect delivery inside 50

Time for Sam and many others to prove why they deserve to be an AFL list at all not just ours 

11 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

he's likely to request a trade at the end of the year at this rate, and who could blame him. we've gone backwards and our delivery inside 50 is the worst in the comp.

He is a third tall in ability  - not hard to replace and we would not get much for him. Don't think he would be in much demand elsewhere. Would only really work in a team that already has two good tall forwards.

 

5 minutes ago, loges said:

The Jeffy you want is no longer the Jeffy that we have.

I know that but he's the only decent small medium forward that has the agility and evasive skills to create opportunities from scraps/ground balls and crumbs off our non-marking talls nearer goal (inside 30) and finish off good work up the field....occasionally.

If you can let.me know someone who does this better who also offers the close down speed inside 50 to pressure?

The highest i50 tackles in 2018 (averages). The No.1 non-Key Forward goal scorer of 2018 of those still on the list ...ranked 4th overall behind T-Mac, Hogan & Kent (average goals per game).

The only player to lay multiple tackles i50 last night.

While he may not be the Jeffy of old he still offers some weapons up forward until someone else fills the gap IMO.

Get off Weideman's bac. You are the same people who complained about Hogan and then whinged when he left. He is  21 year old 

10 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

He is a third tall in ability  - not hard to replace and we would not get much for him. Don't think he would be in much demand elsewhere. Would only really work in a team that already has two good tall forwards.

 

Huh ? He's the third tall in ability who are the other two ? 

Pretty sure at the start of the season he was being touted as our second key tall behind TMac - we all know how successful that's been for us

He got lucky in two finals and everyone instantly thinks he's a champion in the making - before those games his body of work was incredibly underwhelming and that form line continues into this season

Please don't say Preuss is our future as a tall forward target the guy is playing there because he doesn't have the ability or the fitness to ruck a large portion of the game plus our other so-called tall forwards have been a complete waste of space so far this year 

I have had such high hopes for the weed but he has been very disapointing  this year. We do have to try and hang on to him as he is young and has shown he can play.

2 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Huh ? He's the third tall in ability who are the other two ? 

Last year he was a good third tall when we had Hogan. He struggles as a first or second tall and played above his ability in the finals, as Did Tmac. This is a good sign but both have been a failure this year.

2 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

Last year he was a good third tall when we had Hogan. He struggles as a first or second tall and played above his ability in the finals, as Did Tmac. This is a good sign but both have been a failure this year.

Hogan was sitting in the stands for those two finals texting his mates in Perth from memory 

19 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I know that but he's the only decent small medium forward that has the agility and evasive skills to create opportunities from scraps/ground balls and crumbs off our non-marking talls nearer goal (inside 30) and finish off good work up the field....occasionally.

If you can let.me know someone who does this better who also offers the close down speed inside 50 to pressure?

The highest i50 tackles in 2018 (averages). The No.1 non-Key Forward goal scorer of 2018 of those still on the list ...ranked 4th overall behind T-Mac, Hogan & Kent (average goals per game).

The only player to lay multiple tackles i50 last night.

While he may not be the Jeffy of old he still offers some weapons up forward until someone else fills the gap IMO.

Spent last year hoping he would get back his form, couldn't even impact at Casey , a level at which he should be too fast and too clever for most opposition. Just think he will continue to disappoint. I eventually came to that conclusion by the end of 2018. Since we aren't going anywhere perhaps it time to try some younger players.

The more I read Demonland the more I understand why people vote for the Greens and Clive Palmer.

12 hours ago, McQueen said:

No one of note but seriously I thought Tim Smith offered more tonight. 

Tim did offer more but was left too often without linking support. 

14 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Hogan was sitting in the stands for those two finals texting his mates in Perth from memory 

So what, he was injured. Fans are in denial about how valuable Hogan was to the team to justify bringing players who are struggling to get on the park. Worst trade decision so far under Goodwin.

 

Even before the Geelong final last year I held huge optimism for Sam becoming at least a very good MFC forward.

His, together with the team as a whole, has been a depressingly awful year so far.

Of more concern to me with this consistent underperforming is the loss of ability to attract, or even hold star players.

Six months ago we were “a destination club”: no longer unless the team and the coaching and fitness staff rapidly pull their collective fingers out and start winning and playing attractive watchable footy. 

12 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The more I read Demonland the more I understand why people vote for the Greens and Clive Palmer.

The more I read your posts, the more thankful I am you are not picking the team. 

3 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

So what, he was injured. Fans are in denial about how valuable Hogan was to the team to justify bringing players who are struggling to get on the park. Worst trade decision so far under Goodwin.

 

My comment was in response to your statement below 

"last year he was a good third tall when we had Hogan. He struggles as a first or second tall and played above his ability in the finals, as Did Tmac. "

I was not a fan of the Hogan trade and like many are totally underwhelmed by what May brings to the table - hope I'm proved wrong in time - not sure I believe people can play "above themselves" btw - you can play or you can't - no doubt you can play below your ability and we have the majority of our team firmly in that camp atm

You said he was a good third tall when we had Hogan - the reality is that his only two AFL games where he looked like he could potentially make it as a player Hogan was in the stands and it was him and TMac as the talls - stuffed if I know how we won either of those games now based on what we are seeing week to week 

2 minutes ago, Sydee said:

My comment was in response to your statement below 

"last year he was a good third tall when we had Hogan. He struggles as a first or second tall and played above his ability in the finals, as Did Tmac. "

I was not a fan of the Hogan trade and like many are totally underwhelmed by what May brings to the table - hope I'm proved wrong in time - not sure I believe people can play "above themselves" btw - you can play or you can't - no doubt you can play below your ability and we have the majority of our team firmly in that camp atm

You said he was a good third tall when we had Hogan - the reality is that his only two AFL games where he looked like he could potentially make it as a player Hogan was in the stands and it was him and TMac as the talls - stuffed if I know how we won either of those games now based on what we are seeing week to week 

I think he was more confident and had nothing to lose and Tmac playing well helped. The delivery and team play up the ground helped too. I also think other teams not rating him helped.

 

1 minute ago, Deehumanizing said:

I think he was more confident and had nothing to lose and Tmac playing well helped. The delivery and team play up the ground helped too. I also think other teams not rating him helped.

 

Well, they certainly won't be rating him one little bit on his form this year - breakout game coming up from him against the Hawks perhaps

I really don't see Wied as the issue. A 21year old with 20 games in a team who seem to think blind kicks over the shoulder are a viable way forward. Don't forget he was only to be the second tall behind McDonald, who has been so bad he was playing at the other end of the ground last night.

He might need to play at Casey for some confidence, but career over at Melbourne? Please.

10 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Well, they certainly won't be rating him one little bit on his form this year - breakout game coming up from him against the Hawks perhaps

It would be against the run of play. I do not think we would lose much dropping him and giving someone else the chance of showing what they could do.

11 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

He might need to play at Casey for some confidence, but career over at Melbourne? Please.

It may be better to see what we can get for him. He does not seem able to do the job we need him to do. I think he tries hard but not enough to hide his liabilities, unco and does not think on his feet. You are right though he is young and may be better in 4-5 years. The question is,  can we afford to carry him that long. I don't think he has shown enough to have a queue waiting to grab him. Perhaps the pies could use him, he could be a third tall there if he is able to get a game. I would swap him for just about any current pie forward in their seniors. 

46 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

So what, he was injured. Fans are in denial about how valuable Hogan was to the team to justify bringing players who are struggling to get on the park. Worst trade decision so far under Goodwin.

 

When are people going to get it thru their heads that if hogan didn't go at the end of last he certainly would be at end of season this year. He requested the trade they obliged to allow him to return home.

5 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

When are people going to get it thru their heads that if hogan didn't go at the end of last he certainly would be at end of season this year. He requested the trade they obliged to allow him to return home.

I think he only wanted a trade because he was not wanted here. I heard we were keen to get rid of him rather than have the cost of his next contract. We had him and if he stayed and we had a successful year he may have stayed longer and if not we could have traded him for someone who was fit and could get on the park. We did get overs but so far he has proved he is worth it.

 

11 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

When are people going to get it thru their heads that if hogan didn't go at the end of last he certainly would be at end of season this year. He requested the trade they obliged to allow him to return home.

And we got what for him?

a fat full back who is injury / report prone  and a Casey player for the wing.

Good deal that !

1 hour ago, Deehumanizing said:

The more I read your posts, the more thankful I am you are not picking the team. 

A newbie trying to throw their weight around.

Cute.

10 minutes ago, ProDee said:

A newbie trying to throw their weight around.

Cute.

Go on then, enlighten us on your thoughts. You are a Weideman believer after all.