Jordan Lewis is absolutely cooked, never pick him again

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Did anyone else see what looked like Lewis punching a player in the stomach whilst the player was on the ground yesterday? I'm wondering if he might get a week anyway?

Edited April 21, 2019 by tbrookes3
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7 minutes ago, tbrookes3 said:

Did anyone else see what looked like Lewis punching a player in the stomach whilst the player was on the ground yesterday? I'm wondering if he might get a week anyway?

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2 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

SO you want leg speed but your potential trades include 3 guys with genuine leg speed. I’m confused. 

  Stop being confused.

I want players that will take us forward,  who have footy brains along with some speed.  Brains first,  along with some speed.

 

You cannot see that, without some thought...  or are you just going on spontaneous impression,  otherwise know as (knee jerk reaction).?

So to make changes...  we have to weed out the ones who will not take us forward.  List places and maybe gain some picks

 

Hibbo 29+ Yrs, might bring a pick

Garlett 29+ Yrs, might bring a pick

Frost, might bring a pick

Hunt, might bring a pick

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2 hours ago, Supermercado said:

He can guide them in giving away petulant free kicks behind play.

That is just MfcSS silliness.

We don't have anyone with the smarts of the Hawks premierships and methods and mental skills.  Other than Lew.

We are structurally deficient...  that's not Lewis's fault.

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30 minutes ago, DV8 said:

That is just MfcSS silliness.

We don't have anyone with the smarts of the Hawks premierships and methods and mental skills.  Other than Lew.

We are structurally deficient...  that's not Lewis's fault.

Discipline 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

You stick him on a wing after missing a month of footy, you get your just desserts.

It was madness sticking him there in the first place.  In the twilight of his career, we should have known better.  We needed him across half back.

Plus, they should have dropped Spargo, not Stretch.  He was the perfect player for us, at the moment, who can provide at least a little more pace and stamina running up and down the MCG wings.

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54 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

You stick him on a wing after missing a month of footy, you get your just desserts.

It was madness sticking him there in the first place.  In the twilight of his career, we should have known better.  We needed him across half back.

Plus, they should have dropped Spargo, not Stretch.  He was the perfect player for us, at the moment, who can provide at least a little more pace and stamina running up and down the MCG wings.

The many of us who have said exactly that obviously know nothing about footy, because the experts we pay a fortune to for running our team did exactly that.

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1 minute ago, Redleg said:

The many of us who have said exactly that obviously know nothing about footy, because the experts we pay a fortune to for running our team did exactly that.

You would love to know the reasoning, though.  Clearly Goody has something in mind, only we don't know what that is.  I can't see someone, who is clearly an intelligent coach, just sticking an old fella on a wing and hoping for the best.  I know that is what it looks like, but deep down we know that just isn't the case.

On the flip side, I think it's pretty evident that, whatever the plan was, they got it wrong and Lewis had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever.  I'd be very, very surprised to see him line up on a wing on Wednesday night.

[Jaded No More 68,913]

Hard to put any faith in a coach who plays his two slowest and oldest players on the wings of the MCG against any team, let alone and quick one. 

What possible logic is behind this coaching move?

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12 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Hard to put any faith in a coach who plays his two slowest and oldest players on the wings of the MCG against any team, let alone and quick one. 

What possible logic is behind this coaching move?

To slow, or stop the Opps' attacks... trying to lock the ball in our half.

It's failing badly.  We do not have the Cattle at our disposal to play our gamestyle.

Edited April 21, 2019 by DV8

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8 hours ago, DV8 said:

To slow, or stop the Opps' attacks... trying to lock the ball in our half.

It's failing badly.  We do not have the Cattle at our disposal to play our gamestyle.

Is our game style even relevent these days... like the look of noah anderson

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6 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Is our game style even relevent these days...

It doesn't look like it does it.

But it did in a couple of Qtr's of footy, this season, so far.

 

The point is,  we don't really Know how much its in need of tweaking... Because we have so Many of our BEST players out, or playing hurt.  So its really difficult to See.

 

Should we chuck out "the Baby and the Bathwater"... as it where,  Or just the Bathwater.  

It's so dirty, we cannot see the depth of the problem.

So where do we cut to...  or start from ?

Edited April 22, 2019 by DV8

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6 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

like the look of noah anderson

I haven't kept up with the kids for 4 or 5 years. and I don't know anything of this years bunch, at this time.

 

But I have been calling for us to recruit small forward rover types,  and midfield running types over at least the past 4 National Drafts.

Names of Ainsworth, Higgins, DeGoey, Stephenson, I was unsure of Petruccelle but he was an interest.  but more out and out speed at that time.

 

Back a few years prior to that,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  from that Weideman draft,  I was also keen on Grundy.  Who I thought would make an Ideal mobile ruck type.

I really wanted us to make sure we got Weideman... who I'll back all the way for us.  But i was hoping we could also pickup a Grundy as well,  Via some wheeling and dealing.

Sadly that did not happen

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19 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

You stick him on a wing after missing a month of footy, you get your just desserts.

It was madness sticking him there in the first place.  In the twilight of his career, we should have known better.  We needed him across half back.

Plus, they should have dropped Spargo, not Stretch.  He was the perfect player for us, at the moment, who can provide at least a little more pace and stamina running up and down the MCG wings.

So damn true. He has a specific role down back which he usually does quite well.

 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

Can we slap a moonboot on him and call it season ending? Give us another pick in the mid season draft. 2 picks then, grab the best potential wingmen possible and chuck em in. What could it hurt?

I agree, he needs to sit in the coaches box, or even on the bench to get in the ears as players come off. Casey playing assistant coach next year, but he'll probably want to run back to the Hawks.

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16 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I haven't kept up with the kids for 4 or 5 years. and I don't know anything of this years bunch, at this time.

 

But I have been calling for us to recruit small forward rover types,  and midfield running types over at least the past 4 National Drafts.

Names of Ainsworth, Higgins, DeGoey, Stephenson, I was unsure of Petruccelle but he was an interest.  but more out and out speed at that time.

 

Back a few years prior to that,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  from that Weideman draft,  I was also keen on Grundy.  Who I thought would make an Ideal mobile ruck type.

I really wanted us to make sure we got Weideman... who I'll back all the way for us.  But i was hoping we could also pickup a Grundy as well,  Via some wheeling and dealing.

Sadly that did not happen

Honestly, you have lost the plot, they were drafted 3 years apart. Grundy was in the Toumpas draft.

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1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

Honestly, you have lost the plot, they were drafted 3 years apart. Grundy was in the Toumpas draft.

I got confused in my text  sentencing.

 You can see what i was saying,  [ Back a few years prior to that,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  ]

 

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

I was also keen on Grundy.  Who I thought would make an Ideal mobile ruck type.

This was the truth and I wrote it at that time.  Sure it wasn't correct to say it was Weideman's draft year... which I was aware of,  but just wrote out the sentence incorrectly.

 

No, i have lost the plot at all  'Wtm'.   but you are acting out of frustration and anger.

But, I am struggling with seeing the screen well, and that does hinder my text & grammar occasionally.

 

 

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Back a few years prior to that,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  from that Weideman draft,  I was also keen on Grundy.  Who I thought would make an Ideal mobile ruck type.

I really wanted us to make sure we got Weideman... who I'll back all the way for us.  But i was hoping we could also pickup a Grundy as well,  Via some wheeling and dealing.

Sadly that did not happen

I should have written it this way >>>

"Back a few years prior to that Weideman draft,,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  I was also keen on Grundy.  Who I thought would make an Ideal mobile ruck type.

Edited April 22, 2019 by DV8

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19 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

You would love to know the reasoning, though.  Clearly Goody has something in mind, only we don't know what that is.  I can't see someone, who is clearly an intelligent coach, just sticking an old fella on a wing and hoping for the best.  I know that is what it looks like, but deep down we know that just isn't the case.

On the flip side, I think it's pretty evident that, whatever the plan was, they got it wrong and Lewis had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever.  I'd be very, very surprised to see him line up on a wing on Wednesday night.

Because the Saints half forwards - Kent, Parker, Long, Lonie all would've killed Lewis at half back and the backline - which was already slow with one plodding flanker in Josh Wagner -  did the job against the Swans.

The plan was he'd mostly be on Sinclair or Newnes on the wing, less speedy and more running accumulators. As long as we provided good forward pressure he only had to run with them not sprint with them.

Lewis and Jones were to run hard backwards and provide the backs with numbers and easy outlet options, then we'd play tempo footy. Stretch and Jones both did that against the Swans and Lewis only had to do similar to Stretch with better kicking (theoretically).

Clearly it failed, mainly because the MCG is far bigger and the Saints far quicker than the Swans, but if he played at half back in place of (?J Wagner ?Hibberd ?Fritsch) he still would've been found wanting speed and agility against the Saints quick forwards. Unless the forward and midfield pressure is top shelf and he has a slow and harmless opponent he's going to struggle.

 

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47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Because the Saints half forwards - Kent, Parker, Long, Lonie all would've killed Lewis at half back and the backline - which was already slow with one plodding flanker in Josh Wagner -  did the job against the Swans.

The plan was he'd mostly be on Sinclair or Newnes on the wing, less speedy and more running accumulators. As long as we provided good forward pressure he only had to run with them not sprint with them.

Lewis and Jones were to run hard backwards and provide the backs with numbers and easy outlet options, then we'd play tempo footy. Stretch and Jones both did that against the Swans and Lewis only had to do similar to Stretch with better kicking (theoretically).

Clearly it failed, mainly because the MCG is far bigger and the Saints far quicker than the Swans, but if he played at half back in place of (?J Wagner ?Hibberd ?Fritsch) he still would've been found wanting speed and agility against the Saints quick forwards. Unless the forward and midfield pressure is top shelf and he has a slow and harmless opponent he's going to struggle.

 

The team is collectively, too slow.  So we cannot cover the spaces opening up around us. Our older players are more exposed.

 

If we start to play youngsters now,  I want Lewis out there directing and teaching them.

If we stay with our NQR senior players in the team,  then Lewis can come out.

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18 hours ago, Jaded said:

Hard to put any faith in a coach who plays his two slowest and oldest players on the wings of the MCG against any team, let alone and quick one. 

What possible logic is behind this coaching move?

Coz he knows the season is already cooked and playing for early Draft Picks??

Only reason I can possibly find!!

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

I got confused in my text  sentencing.

 You can see what i was saying,  [ Back a few years prior to that,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  ]

 

This was the truth and I wrote it at that time.  Sure it wasn't correct to say it was Weideman's draft year... which I was aware of,  but just wrote out the sentence incorrectly.

 

No, i have lost the plot at all  'Wtm'.   but you are acting out of frustration and anger.

But, I am struggling with seeing the screen well, and that does hinder my text & grammar occasionally.

 

 

I should have written it this way >>>

"Back a few years prior to that Weideman draft,,  before Maxy extracted the digit...  I was also keen on Grundy.  Who I thought would make an Ideal mobile ruck type.

It was a bit tongue in cheek but I had just read a post of you comparing Wayne Carey and Sam Weideman and then this post. 

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1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Because the Saints half forwards - Kent, Parker, Long, Lonie all would've killed Lewis at half back and the backline - which was already slow with one plodding flanker in Josh Wagner -  did the job against the Swans.

The plan was he'd mostly be on Sinclair or Newnes on the wing, less speedy and more running accumulators. As long as we provided good forward pressure he only had to run with them not sprint with them.

Lewis and Jones were to run hard backwards and provide the backs with numbers and easy outlet options, then we'd play tempo footy. Stretch and Jones both did that against the Swans and Lewis only had to do similar to Stretch with better kicking (theoretically).

Clearly it failed, mainly because the MCG is far bigger and the Saints far quicker than the Swans, but if he played at half back in place of (?J Wagner ?Hibberd ?Fritsch) he still would've been found wanting speed and agility against the Saints quick forwards. Unless the forward and midfield pressure is top shelf and he has a slow and harmless opponent he's going to struggle.

 

Lewis only has a few limited assets left including his ability to read the play and intercept across HB, then feed off.  Goody would have been about the only official in the football that would have felt Lewis (and Jones) should be played off a wing (at the G).  Don't play him at all if he can't play his usual HB role in that case.

It was an amateur call as was the idea of putting Jones on the other wing.

By the times Lewis and Jones run "Hard" backwards the ball would already be rebounding (after having gone there already) and be sailing over their heads before they've gotten half way there.

It's the quickest part of the ground, you don't play your slowest through there.  Yet that's what our senior coach did from the get go. 

The Saints coaching group must have been laughing and licking their lips on seeing that set up at the first bounce but initially must have thought "settle boys....it's just a ploy....they won't continue with that one!".

Edited April 22, 2019 by Rusty Nails

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19 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

It was a bit tongue in cheek but I had just read a post of you comparing Wayne Carey and Sam Weideman and then this post. 

I was comparing their development years...  in regard to which young Key Forward could single-handedly,  hold a forwardline together.

Obviously its impossible to compare Carey's finished career,  with Weide's start to his career. 

He's going to be a good one...  IF he maintains direction and strong attitude in his mind.

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17 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I was comparing their development years...  in regard to which young Key Forward could single-handedly,  hold a forwardline together.

Obviously its impossible to compare Carey's finished career,  with Weide's start to his career. 

He's going to be a good one...  IF he maintains direction and strong attitude in his mind.

I know what you were doing I just fail to see why you would choose Carey of all players to compare him to. 

Hipwood, Curnow, McKay and Himmelberg are his draft class. They all have more strings to their bows and much better athletic capabilities.

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25 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Lewis only has a few limited assets left including his ability to read the play and intercept across HB, then feed off.  Goody would have been about the only official in the football that would have felt Lewis (and Jones) should be played off a wing (at the G).  Don't play him at all if he can't play his usual HB role in that case.

It was an amateur call as was the idea of putting Jones on the other wing.

By the times Lewis and Jones run "Hard" backwards the ball would already be rebounding (after having gone there already) and be sailing over their heads before they've gotten half way there.

It's the quickest part of the ground, you don't play your slowest through there.  Yet that's what our senior coach did from the get go. 

The Saints coaching group must have been laughing and licking their lips on seeing that set up at the first bounce but initially must have thought "settle boys....it's just a ploy....they won't continue with that one!".

Disagree with some of that, half forward and half back are often the quickest part of the ground. If you're defending well the ground shrinks up in to lots of stoppages and little space on the wing.

Selwood is playing wing for the Cats. Isaac Smith is spending a lot of time at half forward to get in to more space for the Hawks.

For the quarter and a bit that we defended reasonably well Jones and Lewis weren't caught out for pace all that often. As soon as the forwards and mids dropped off they were torched, but so were our slow half backs. 

The thing I do agree with you on is don't play him if he can't play HB. I don't think he can, not alongside Josh Wagner and without a lot of pace with the other defenders. I think we can have 1 slower wing and still be a decent side: Jones or Lewis. And one slower half back: Lewis or Josh Wagner. If that player moves to the right spaces and gets a lot of uncontested ball then they are useful without speed.

And even then just as much of the mistake was playing Lewis without a warm up in the VFL. There was no chance for him to get some touch and prove he can bend down and get the ball, chase opponents and go in to tackle.