What would you pay more money for to help the MFC further stabilize?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,336]

18 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Can’t get worse than it is now. 

We have weeks and weeks away from the MCG on Fox Coverage. It’s a graveyard. 

People are not prepared to admit the old way of TV Viewing is dead. 

Siphoning off Media Rights has to be done the right way. 

Engage the viewer 5-7 days a week

I don't think you understand the implications of MFC trying to negotiate media rights with 40k members, 200k supporters and poor quality fixture vs a Collingwood trying to negotiate with 80k members, 1m supporters and a heavily favoured fixture. How much do expect streaming companies to pay for each product?

[Sir Why You Little 37,166]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't think you understand the implications of MFC trying to negotiate media rights with 40k members, 200k supporters and poor quality fixture vs a Collingwood trying to negotiate with 80k members, 1m supporters and a heavily favoured fixture. How much do expect streaming companies to pay for each product?

Stop worrying about The Filth. That is half our problem

we can grow our own brand. 

I work in current day TV. It’s dying very quickly

Now is the time to make the jump to the digital age. 

Channel 7 and Rupert are not the answer

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Stop worrying about The Filth. That is half our problem

we can grow our own brand. 

I work in current day TV. It’s dying very quickly

Now is the time to make the jump to the digital age. 

Channel 7 and Rupert are not the answer

Cause and effect? Surely not!

[Sir Why You Little 37,166]

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Cause and effect? Surely not!

Haha! No, but you would be amazed how quickly technology becomes an Antique. 

This has happened from about 1995 when the first Recordable DVD Players were made available to the public

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

I'd pay $50 per year for simple no frills coverage of Casey games. Live would be good but not strictly necessary.

Don't need commentary but I would like four angled static coverage cameras (ie four streams) that I could swap between as I watched a match.

Not overly difficult in this day and age with excellent cheap cameras. Almost labour free so not much ongoing cost after camera costs are recovered.

If Casey are on free to air I would accept no coverage just so as to keep that part of the VFL deal going if necessary.

Would be great if it included a post game debriefing by the coach or similar

Edited November 28, 2017 by Diamond_Jim

[Dr. Gonzo 24,336]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Stop worrying about The Filth. That is half our problem

we can grow our own brand. 

I work in current day TV. It’s dying very quickly

Now is the time to make the jump to the digital age. 

Channel 7 and Rupert are not the answer

We have to worry about other clubs, we exist in a competition not a vacuum and if we are competing against them for media dollars it will be a TKO/no contest. Media rights must be negotiated collectively, in fact all AFL revenue should be pooled and distributed equally.

[Sir Why You Little 37,166]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We have to worry about other clubs, we exist in a competition not a vacuum and if we are competing against them for media dollars it will be a TKO/no contest. Media rights must be negotiated collectively, in fact all AFL revenue should be pooled and distributed equally.

And when has that ever happened?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,336]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

And when has that ever happened?

It was common practice for quite some time in the early days of the league, not sure when it stopped maybe in the 60's. Anyhow the point is wanting to negotiate media rights individually is a recipe for disaster not just for us but the entire league. Will end up destroying more than a couple of clubs. Theres a reason Collingwood raised this as a (idle) threat several years back and Melbourne never have.

[Damo 3,376]

Ive avoided this thread but i remember the Thursday afternoon training at the junction in late August early September as the grass had a whiff of spring, and the cans were on sale. Id pay good money entry if there was a chance of a similar situation occuring.

Elsternwick oval is being redone and it seems like Bayside council would entertain the thought of something so bizarrely attached to their map actually making money. Parking, trams and trains close by. Its enclosed so you have to pay to get in. Cricket and the VAFA seem to have it but it is incredibly underutilized.

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

10 hours ago, Franky_31 said:

Ive avoided this thread but i remember the Thursday afternoon training at the junction in late August early September as the grass had a whiff of spring, and the cans were on sale. Id pay good money entry if there was a chance of a similar situation occuring.

Elsternwick oval is being redone and it seems like Bayside council would entertain the thought of something so bizarrely attached to their map actually making money. Parking, trams and trains close by. Its enclosed so you have to pay to get in. Cricket and the VAFA seem to have it but it is incredibly underutilized.

Interesting concept.

Last year we had a discussion about the concept of Spring training as marketed in the US. Would not surprise me if some of the bigger clubs especially Adelaide trial marketed a few nights of twilight training or similar. Throw in some trendy food vans etc and some nice grass to spread the picnic rug and it could become a great evening. Not sure if it would work for the MFC due to support  numbers and we would need a venue. (Then there is the curse/blessing of the extended cricket season which ties up a lot of the prime grounds.)

[Big Carl 333]

On 21/11/2017 at 11:14 PM, puntkick said:

WHY would you pay more money after round 23 ?

100% correct.

That performance was worse than some of our 100 point losses over the last 3 or 4 years. Had everything to play for and just didn't show up. Whoever referred to the soft underbelly at MFC on Demonland is spot on. Until I see a change in that I won't change my financial contribution.

[Sir Why You Little 37,166]

14 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It was common practice for quite some time in the early days of the league, not sure when it stopped maybe in the 60's. 

This is my point. You advocate that changing the system is bad. 

I say the system is already a disgrace. It is time to sink or swim. 

We will never improve whilst Ch7 give us nothing

[DaveyDee 421]

On 11/29/2017 at 9:48 AM, Big Carl said:

100% correct.

That performance was worse than some of our 100 point losses over the last 3 or 4 years. Had everything to play for and just didn't show up. Whoever referred to the soft underbelly at MFC on Demonland is spot on. Until I see a change in that I won't change my financial contribution.

I respect your opinion - However, as costs in AFL football rise if you cant invest more into your FD department you will fall behind. 

Sadly, 17 other clubs dont care what happened to us in round 23 and those clubs will continue to invest more money into their footy departments. 

Today we are an AFL club committed to increase the spending in our FD. Irrespective if our pokies revenues stay or go - we need to seek alternative revenues. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Interesting article here from the Guardian about the giant EPL team Liverpool restricting radio commentary of its upcoming UEFA Champions League match to its own club website.

Apparently BBC5 were denied the rights.

The AFL control of match day internet radio broadcasts through its internet site has long concerned me as a precursor to greater controls in this area. Like the AFL the radio coverage via the Liverpool website is free but it is Liverpool commentary only.

One thing you can be assured of is that they aren't doing it for the benefit of the supporter.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/03/liverpool-bbc-five-live-rights-broadcast-spartak

 

 

 

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

Would I pay more money to stabilise the club?  I think this is the wrong question.  I think the question should be "If the Demons presented a cogent future vision of the club, would I pay to buy in?".

I watched Richmond sell a shed load of absolute crap merchandise.  I saw their fans dancing on wheelie bins in Swan St.  We have no natural home for us to celebrate our flag, for our fans to race in and buy the merchandise.  Dogs, Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon and Geelong all do, even hawks have Waverly.  Where do we have??  Don't tell me Casey Fields, or I will spew.

If we had a home and a presence, we could build out a brand that resonated in the community.  This would create a footprint on which to build something special.  Add to that on field success (or, at worst, a reduction in the onfield vomit of most of the last decade) and the club would stabilise itself.  A proper base, a proper sense of self, and success would all deliver success (and maybe even a Friday night game).

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Lot of truth in that buck N

One of my great memories is training the Thursday night before the '88 grand final at the Junction Oval.

Not sure that Gosch's paddock would be the same.

[DaveyDee 421]

2 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Would I pay more money to stabilise the club?  I think this is the wrong question.  I think the question should be "If the Demons presented a cogent future vision of the club, would I pay to buy in?".

I watched Richmond sell a shed load of absolute crap merchandise.  I saw their fans dancing on wheelie bins in Swan St.  We have no natural home for us to celebrate our flag, for our fans to race in and buy the merchandise.  Dogs, Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon and Geelong all do, even hawks have Waverly.  Where do we have??  Don't tell me Casey Fields, or I will spew.

If we had a home and a presence, we could build out a brand that resonated in the community.  This would create a footprint on which to build something special.  Add to that on field success (or, at worst, a reduction in the onfield vomit of most of the last decade) and the club would stabilise itself.  A proper base, a proper sense of self, and success would all deliver success (and maybe even a Friday night game).

Great concept. However, it gets raised nearly yearly. One of our previous boards had the opportunity to buy the Lexus Centre prior to Collingwood going there and they didnt. So really we only have our-self to blame. 

Locations are always tricky, and to get universal agreement from MFC supporters - would be interesting. 

I'm not sure what the cost would be - but it clear many MFC supporters want the premiership before they further dip into their pockets. 

Your initiative might be a tad more than stabilising the ship - it might be a total refurbishment of the ship. Which done before a premiership the burden will fall on too few. But go for it - would have my support. 

Edited December 4, 2017 by DaveyDee

[Coq au vin 755]

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[Coq au vin 755]

12 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Would I pay more money to stabilise the club?  I think this is the wrong question.  I think the question should be "If the Demons presented a cogent future vision of the club, would I pay to buy in?".

I watched Richmond sell a shed load of absolute crap merchandise.  I saw their fans dancing on wheelie bins in Swan St.  We have no natural home for us to celebrate our flag, for our fans to race in and buy the merchandise.  Dogs, Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon and Geelong all do, even hawks have Waverly.  Where do we have??  Don't tell me Casey Fields, or I will spew.

If we had a home and a presence, we could build out a brand that resonated in the community.  This would create a footprint on which to build something special.  Add to that on field success (or, at worst, a reduction in the onfield vomit of most of the last decade) and the club would stabilise itself.  A proper base, a proper sense of self, and success would all deliver success (and maybe even a Friday night game).

It’s called the MCG. 

The AFL took it from us by making our home ground also the so-called home ground of scum clubs. 

Send them all back to their $hith0les.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Diamond

[DaveyDee 421]

On 12/4/2017 at 11:54 PM, Diamond said:

It’s called the MCG. 

The AFL took it from us by making our home ground also the so-called home ground of scum clubs. 

Send them all back to their $hith0les.

Interesting concept - I wonder how well it will work? I just have this sneaky suspicion Richmond, Hawthorn & Collingwood may not be "sent back to their $hith0les." You probably lucky you posted this on a MFC forum had you posted it on a public forum - some may say - do unto others as they do to you. 

Personally, I prefer to work with all AFL clubs. 

[The Chazz 4,077]

Bump...

Hey @DaveyDee how's that business directory idea going?

While you're still trying to get that up and running, have a read of our latest strategic alliance...

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-03-01/melbourne-and-chisholm-form-partnership

Now, I'm sure I heard someone in here talking about creating revenue from essential services, like education.  Oh, here it is...

On 22/11/2017 at 12:38 PM, The Chazz said:

I think you are being very short-sighted in your search for an additional income stream if you are talking about a business directory.  Don't get me wrong, it has the potential to create some income, but is it sustainable?  This will only be determined by an individual business, and the income it generates for them in the first 1-3 years.  If a business is paying to be part of a directory, they will want to see an increase in their own customers, otherwise they will soon opt out.

You need something that appeals to a broader market, not just Melbourne supporters.  A product or service that a lot of people require, and currently pay big dollars for.  Something that people access every day, and for the long-term future, will continue to be offered.

Things like education, health care, aged care, child care, this sort of stuff is used and paid for every day throughout Australia.  But the question is regarding the expense to get this stuff set up, considering it's a market that is already flooded.  So instead of investing huge amounts of dollars to reinvent the wheel, maybe we look at strategic partnerships with providers that are leading the way already.  Or do we look at having an add-on to what's currently done?

With all that said, I do think there are opportunities to further grow our partnership with the University of Melbourne.  They (UofM) are ranked the number 1 university in Australia, and I'm pretty sure have the highest world ranking of our universities.  They have approx 50,000 students, a lot of international students (potential of new members), and a reputation that sees a lot of people wanting to study there but can't get in.

To give you an idea of the Richmond FC/Swinburne program I mentioned earlier, the offer a 12 months Diploma of Sport Development/Diploma of Leadership and Management.  Fees are $19,000 and this year, they are expecting around 80 students (aka $1.52m gross income).  There is a pathway into other Swinburne degrees at the end of it, which is where Swinburne can see an increase in income.

 

[DaveyDee 421]

Thanks Chazz - good to see we can copy what the Tigers have done years ago - AFL upping the pressure to get rid of poker machines.

Its no longer a mater of "if" only when ... Lets hope we can copy the Tigers onfield

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-risks-weakening-strong-clubs-if-they-ban-them-from-having-poker-machines-says-kennett-20180209-p4yzv4.html

Many of the Educational Institutions are now running round Melbourne creating reports on how damaging the AFL poker machines are to the community. 

Edited March 2, 2018 by DaveyDee

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

Thanks Chazz - good to see we can copy what the Tigers have done years ago - AFL upping the pressure to get rid of poker machines.

Its no longer a mater of "if" only when ... Lets hope we can copy the Tigers onfield

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-risks-weakening-strong-clubs-if-they-ban-them-from-having-poker-machines-says-kennett-20180209-p4yzv4.html

Many of the Educational Institutions are now running round Melbourne creating reports on how damaging the AFL poker machines are to the community. 

The competition is built on copying others.  Some take a punt by trying to be the "first", sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

If we have looked at the Richmond model (in terms of this partnership), and have found a new (to us) way of generating additional income, then I don't see an issue in it at all.

 

[DaveyDee 421]

16 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

The competition is built on copying others.  Some take a punt by trying to be the "first", sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't.

If we have looked at the Richmond model (in terms of this partnership), and have found a new (to us) way of generating additional income, then I don't see an issue in it at all.

 

"Competition is built on copying others" - yeah well we certainly copied others with a $10+ million dollar exposure to poker machines. 

Now if the AFL is prepared to smash the strong clubs over this issue - what will it do to the weaker? 

I'm happy too we can copy the Tigers and align our self with an Educational Institution - I dont see an issue with it either. Not sure its a huge revenue raiser but we are happy to take what you can get. I'm always for improving the welfare of our whole club. 

 

[The Chazz 4,077]

36 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

"Competition is built on copying others" - yeah well we certainly copied others with a $10+ million dollar exposure to poker machines. 

Now if the AFL is prepared to smash the strong clubs over this issue - what will it do to the weaker? 

I'm happy too we can copy the Tigers and align our self with an Educational Institution - I dont see an issue with it either. Not sure its a huge revenue raiser but we are happy to take what you can get. I'm always for improving the welfare of our whole club. 

 

What will it do to the weaker?  Make them be more creative when looking for other revenue streams.

Perhaps you can ask your Uncle Cameron what he thinks?

I get the feeling you will enjoy the day that the AFL ban poker machines from AFL clubs, especially ours.