Hardly hindsight bias as that invokes the notion of selective review. It in the main is the opposite, looking at an overview of goid and bad results where thered seem to be much to suggest not's all as rosey as might be portrayed.

 

On 24/09/2017 at 11:29 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Saty, when will you learn that the players aren't going to criticise people within their organisation to outsider nobodies? 

Your fighting a losing battle here saty, people on here would think your Dave Mission's old man on here trying to defend him???. There is a reason why this topic was started and that's because people have lost patience we want answers no excuses.

On 9/24/2017 at 9:23 PM, Mydee said:

That must have been a very enjoyable Shiraz

Got a touch of "Shakesbeer" about it though.....

36 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Your fighting a losing battle here saty, people on here would think your Dave Mission's old man on here trying to defend him???. There is a reason why this topic was started and that's because people have lost patience we want answers no excuses.

You're onto something.

49 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Your fighting a losing battle here saty, people on here would think your Dave Mission's old man on here trying to defend him???. There is a reason why this topic was started and that's because people have lost patience we want answers no excuses.

If Misson was the problem i doubt very much we would have beaten Adelaide and Meth Coke on enemy territory. You don't lose fitness and then regain it on a weekly basis

The problems stem from inconsistency which i think is a mind over matter situation...

Until you make noise nothing gets done.

We're finishing matches well this year.

We finished fast in our losses against Nth, Fremantle and Hawthorn.  The problem was that the damage was already done earlier in the game... can't see how that Misson's fault.

39 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

We're finishing matches well this year.

We finished fast in our losses against Nth, Fremantle and Hawthorn.  The problem was that the damage was already done earlier in the game... can't see how that Misson's fault.

It's preperation in the rooms before the games, that has been deplorable. 

Fitness is not just switched on and off. 

But the mind is, very much so

Misson Impossible. 

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If Misson was the problem i doubt very much we would have beaten Adelaide and Meth Coke on enemy territory. You don't lose fitness and then regain it on a weekly basis

The problems stem from inconsistency which i think is a mind over matter situation...

It's more the recovery aspect of some player's fitness that I was highlighting on their return from injury SW.  I would hope the club as a whole and the players themselves have the ability, and appear to have, to get them to a group level of fitness that sees us locking horns with even top rated clubs, at least till the injuries start (where they occur to top liners) and begin to have an impact on our overall performance.  Luck obviously playing a factor to a degree vs other clubs like Richmond & Adelaide etc.

Many of our top liners came back seemingly under done IMO.  Most other clubs seem to be able to get their players up and running close to their best on their return fairly consistently.  To me this appeared, on the surface, to be a significant issue for us this year vs other clubs.

Edited September 26, 20177 yr by Rusty Nails

4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

We're finishing matches well this year.

We finished fast in our losses against Nth, Fremantle and Hawthorn.  The problem was that the damage was already done earlier in the game... can't see how that Misson's fault.

Some players might not be finishing as fast as others 39....hence we still lose when the opportunity is there to win more often.

We certainly didn't finish well against Collingwood and Brisbane, two teams we were strong favourites to win soundly.  Yes we beat Brisbane, but also nearly lost that with a very ordinary ending.

3 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

It's more the recovery aspect of some player's fitness that I was highlighting on their return from injury SW.  I would hope the club as a whole and the players themselves have the ability, and appear to have, to get them to a group level of fitness that sees us locking horns with even top rated clubs, at least till the injuries start (where they occur to top liners) and begin to have an impact on our overall performance.  Luck obviously playing a factor to a degree vs other clubs like Richmond & Adelaide etc.

Many of our top liners came back seemingly under done IMO.  Most other clubs seem to be able to get their players up and running close to their best on their return fairly consistently.  To me this appeared, on the surface, to be a significant issue for us this year vs other clubs.

I questioned the same thing. But who makes the call? A player maybe borderline ready. Is it Goodwin's Call or Misson's?

i wouldn't imagine Misson would be allowing players back early as it's bad for his name

interesting...

8 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Some players might not be finishing as fast as others 39....hence we still lose when the opportunity is there to win more often.

We certainly didn't finish well against Collingwood and Brisbane, two teams we were strong favourites to win soundly.  Yes we beat Brisbane, but also nearly lost that with a very ordinary ending.

I agree - but, again you could mount a good case for that being a mental thing.

I think our mental fragility and inexperience outweighs our physical fitness.

14 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

It's more the recovery aspect of some player's fitness that I was highlighting on their return from injury SW.  I would hope the club as a whole and the players themselves have the ability, and appear to have, to get them to a group level of fitness that sees us locking horns with even top rated clubs, at least till the injuries start (where they occur to top liners) and begin to have an impact on our overall performance.  Luck obviously playing a factor to a degree vs other clubs like Richmond & Adelaide etc.

Many of our top liners came back seemingly under done IMO.  Most other clubs seem to be able to get their players up and running close to their best on their return fairly consistently.  To me this appeared, on the surface, to be a significant issue for us this year vs other clubs.

Agree 100% - but I would have thought this is a match committee call.  I would assume that Misson says to them that a player is ready to return, then the match committee decides if that through the VFL or AFL.  You're right though - we've rushed back some stars who have seemed to be well short of a gallop (Watts, Gawn, Hogan + Brayshaw last year)

19 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

You go girl 

Outstanding, is that the best you've got

Again, if you think the fitness is the main issue, then you haven't either been watching or comprehending

I've worked in the fitness industry for a long period of time and been involved at AFL clubs and I can tell you the only complaint I've ever heard about Dave mission is he can be very conservative in bringing players back when they want to play sooner. 

Our fitness issues are 100% a result of having the second youngest list in the AFL in terms of time on an AFL List even our experienced guys haven't always done 4-5 pre seasons 

100% impossible to judge from the outside. Next topic?

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

100% impossible to judge from the outside. Next topic?

I agree. But Saty's on this inside so.....