On 01/07/2017 at 8:51 PM, bluey said:

Fake news, what's a drinking session, couple of pots, wasn't that long ago standing around a barrel on Sunday was mandatory!

 

 

 

That was then*; now is now.

* like when "biffo" was deemed fun.

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

This is a public forum, perhaps those that seem to want to stamp out contrary views should think about not posting

 

You said it....

please consider

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You said it....

please consider

Not when you are still posting on here SWYL, there is a danger I could miss your pearls

I was thinking more of those who can't quite handle criticism, you know those like Cam Schwab, bless him

I still see players raising a glass to him, albeit only when it doesn't mean risking ineligibility, that's of course if that thought crosses their minds

Edited July 5, 20178 yr by Satyriconhome

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Not when you are still posting on here SWYL, there is a danger I could miss your pearls

I was thinking more of those who can't quite handle criticism, you know those like Cam Schwab, bless him

I still see players raising a glass to him, albeit only when it doesn't mean risking ineligibility, that's of course if that thought crosses their minds

I think that was suposed to be funny....

What a rubbish thread I can't believe all the sanctimonious posters.

if everyone thinks team rules are to live and die by, I hope they are defending the Essendon players. Or do players have a choice what they can put in their own bodies above team rules?

What about our no drinking while on the injury list rule. Should Jesse Hogan have beeen allowed to have a beer at his dads wake? just after he personally was diagnosed with cancer? Team rules you know, nobody can break them.

If we want a team of robots we can get Buckley as coach I hear he is going quite cheaply at the moment.

 

10 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

What a rubbish thread I can't believe all the sanctimonious posters.

if everyone thinks team rules are to live and die by, I hope they are defending the Essendon players. Or do players have a choice what they can put in their own bodies above team rules?

What about our no drinking while on the injury list rule. Should Jesse Hogan have beeen allowed to have a beer at his dads wake? just after he personally was diagnosed with cancer? Team rules you know, nobody can break them.

If we want a team of robots we can get Buckley as coach I hear he is going quite cheaply at the moment.

 

To me it is simple  - the rules are the rules and the club or leadership group handle it when there are transgressions.

I would think there are circumstances and back stories to any indiscretion that we may not be aware of but as long as it is handled I don't have a problem.

I do have a problem to those who say  - "whats wrong with the boys having a drink or two - they are normal kids". This doesn't cut it for me. They are professional athletes whose salaries are to an large extent subsidised by us, the members. We pay for the show.  If you want to go outside the team rules because they are too rigid then that's fine - go and play park footy with your mates where team rules don't apply.

Edited July 6, 20178 yr by nutbean

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

What a rubbish thread I can't believe all the sanctimonious posters.

if everyone thinks team rules are to live and die by, I hope they are defending the Essendon players. 1) Or do players have a choice what they can put in their own bodies above team rules?

2) What about our no drinking while on the injury list rule. Should Jesse Hogan have beeen allowed to have a beer at his dads wake? just after he personally was diagnosed with cancer? 3)Team rules you know, nobody can break them.

If we want a team of robots we can get Buckley as coach I hear he is going quite cheaply at the moment.

1) Yes, people have a choice but if they break any rules, they wear the consequences, as Ess players eventually did... and as our players did. 

2) Jesse was not injured at the time his father sadly passed away.  He played a game vs Hawthorn, after his father's funeral and before his cancer diagnosis.  Check facts before posting!

3) See item 1)

 

 

Team rules with a 6 day turnaround must be adhered to. 

The club is paying good salaries to these guys

19 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

1) Yes, people have a choice but if they break any rules, they wear the consequences, as Ess players eventually did... and as our players did. 

2) Jesse was not injured at the time his father sadly passed away.  He played a game vs Hawthorn, after his father's funeral and before his cancer diagnosis.  Check facts before posting!

3) See item 1)

 

 

1) You miss the point. Zakarakis broke the team rules and benefited by it in the long run.

I'm not going to keep wasting my time in this thread. But let me make this clear I am not an apologist for poor player behaviour or players not presenting in peak condition.

I did not defend Bugg for his actions. I am on the record as being critical.

I was one of the few posters on this site who was happy for Jack Watts to be penalised early in the year for coming back in poor shape. Most of the people in this thread were crying that poor Jack was being mistreated when he was not in good enough condition to meet the demands of our game plan.

Paul Roos has turned this club around, not by being a brilliant match day coach but by building a good culture.

Michael Clark destroyed the culture of the Australian cricket team by preferring to go shopping with his misses than have a beer with his team mates after the game.

The AFL have an epidemic of players failing to deal with the stresses of the modern game that coincides perfectly with the downfall of the traditional beer with your mates after the game. Recovery is important don't get me wrong I just think they should throw a few stubbies in their ice baths.

I personally think non-drinking team rules are bad for the culture of the club. The honus is on the players to turn up in peak physical condition to training and on match day and I have seen no evidence that anything other than that has happened here. There are countless measurements available to measure fitness let's rely on them rather than aim for a team of robots like Buckley.

 

 

 

I do it often (drink) ,it is a pity that I get called back to work everyday.

On 7/6/2017 at 0:39 PM, Wrecker45 said:

What a rubbish thread I can't believe all the sanctimonious posters.

if everyone thinks team rules are to live and die by, I hope they are defending the Essendon players. Or do players have a choice what they can put in their own bodies above team rules?

What about our no drinking while on the injury list rule. Should Jesse Hogan have beeen allowed to have a beer at his dads wake? just after he personally was diagnosed with cancer? Team rules you know, nobody can break them.

If we want a team of robots we can get Buckley as coach I hear he is going quite cheaply at the moment.

 

Except there's no rule that they can't drink. The team was ravaged by injury and the VFL players were told of the situation and the short turn around before the Sydney game. So they were informed to prepare. One would think that when a pro athletes is told to prepare, that they don't go out drinking.

It's a shame Mitch White chose that weekend to stay off the turps.

5 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

It's a shame Mitch White chose that weekend to stay off the turps.

Very good BBP