4 minutes ago, Jack son 5 said:

Why not play Jack Watts in that defensive role. Much better than O'mac and Frost.

I remember people saying he won the ball so easily as a loose defender. He never was, just read the play so easily.

Stupid suggestion.

Watts is finally dominating up forward and keeping us in games.

Leave him forward.

Pedersen has to come in vs the Tigers, hes dominating for Casey and we need his skill set.

Pederson already given more output of one goal and 9 disposals in a quarter then Weiderman could give over two full matches. Must change.

Yep Watts needs to stay forward. He's our most dangerous forward and one of our best players again this year. He's finally found his position up forward and rotating for stints in the ruck and is flourishing. He always plays well against Richmond too. This time last year Rance king-hit him because he simply couldn't beat Jack any other way. Not the first time Watts has given Rance trouble either. Expecting another big game from Watts, he's superb. With both he and Hogan up forward, Richmonds mediocre defense will struggle!

10 minutes ago, Jack son 5 said:

Why not play Jack Watts in that defensive role. Much better than O'mac and Frost.

I remember people saying he won the ball so easily as a loose defender. He never was, just read the play so easily.

No, he was played as the loose player in defence, essentially in the 'quarterback' role. 

28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So far Trengove and Pedersen are putting up their hands going by the 1st Qtr of the VFL game.

Pedersen is doing some ruckwork. 

I wouldn't read too much into hearing his name.  That tends to happen when you're following the ball around.

Just now, ProDee said:

Pedersen is doing some ruckwork. 

I wouldn't read too much into hearing his name.  That tends to happen when you're following the ball around.

His also kicked more goals then Weiderman has in the past two games in just a quarter of footy

1 minute ago, olisik said:

His also kicked more goals then Weiderman has in the past two games in just a quarter of footy

So ?

Just now, ProDee said:

So ?

So it's a no brainer to bring him in for the Weeds

Just now, olisik said:

So it's a no brainer to bring him in for the Weeds

No.  No, it's not.  Weideman will be better with Hogan back and flies for high balls far better than Pedersen.  And hopefully he won't be on one leg like he was in the first quarter.

Pedersen kicking a goal at VFL means absolutely nothing.  Nothing at all.

Pedersen is a limited battler, who I hope has played his last game at AFL level.  

In: Hogan, Hibberd

Out: Hannan, Melksham

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

No.  No, it's not.  Weideman will be better with Hogan back and flies for high balls far better than Pedersen.  And hopefully he won't be on one leg like he was in the first quarter.

Pedersen kicking a goal at VFL means absolutely nothing.  Nothing at all.

Pedersen is a limited battler, who I hope has played his last game at AFL level.  

playing weideman is effectively playing a man short.   to prove what?   he's proved he's not ready for afl.   let him develop a bit more at casey

I like the idea of Pederson and Watts both giving Spencer the chop out. Keeps things moving, creates unpredictability and freshness. Throwing Hogan into the midfield every now and then would also challenge the flexibility of their defenders. 

Im not sure Weiderman allows us to change the dynamics of our forward line if things aren't panning out.

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I would go with just hogan and watts as the tall forwards, tigers like the cats I think struggle to defend the smalls and we play better when we lower our eyes 

out weideman, bugg 

in: Trengove, hibberd 

So, going by stats alone and without a report from those who were there, you would suggest that Trengove, Kennedy and Brayshaw haven't done themselves any harm.  It's also good to see Corey Maynard progressing nicely as well, although I doubt he'll come into calculations.

Pedersen clearly did well also, but will he get a gig with Hogan set to come back as well?

I still think Hibberd gets another week at Casey, even though I would love to see him play next weekend. 

In - Hogan, Pedersen

Out - Weideman, Melksham

 

Trengove still too slow and wont help us at AFL level, Hibberd needs another VFL hitout.

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

playing weideman is effectively playing a man short.   to prove what?   he's proved he's not ready for afl.   let him develop a bit more at casey

When Hogan played in rounds 1 and 2 Weideman averaged 10.5 disposals, 3.5 marks and 1.5 goals.  I'll take that with the structure he provides and the high balls he flies for.  That's a 30 goal season on averages. Who wouldn't take that ?

Since Hogan has been gone in rounds 3 and 4 those numbers have plummeted.  He's far better when Hogan has the heat of the opposition and he's not the main key forward.  Why drop him when he's carried the load and Hogan is about to come back ?

As for Pedersen ?  I don't rate him as an AFL key forward.  He's done OK at times, but he's not the answer or the future.

Pedersen has never kicked four goals in a game.  He's played 61 of them.  Forgive me if I don't see him as the answer.

Seemingly, Goodwin doesn't either.

Jesse for Weed. The only certainty for me.

Hibberd needs another week before he's ready from the looks of today. The idea of him and Jordy down back makes our defence look a lot better, so lets not rush it.

Ben Ken for Hannan might be interesting. His defensive pressure up forward at times last year was great. 

 

Even if Weideman is injured with a corky I wouldn't bring in Pedersen.

Pedersen is so good the most goals he's kicked in a season at Melbourne is 14.  Quick, rush him in...

Pedo's win-loss record last season was 6-3. I'm not suggesting it was his direct contribution, but we seem to enjoy whatever he brings to our structure. 

14 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Even if Weideman is injured with a corky I wouldn't bring in Pedersen.

Pedersen is so good the most goals he's kicked in a season at Melbourne is 14.  Quick, rush him in...

Your dislike of Pedersen is as strong as your love for Morton early on.

Just now, Clint Bizkit said:

Your dislike of Pedersen is as strong as your love for Morton early on.

I don't dislike Pedersen.  He's just not the answer.

Morton lots of talent, heart of a grape seed, which is hard to know from the outside.

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I don't dislike Pedersen.  He's just not the answer.

Morton lots of talent, heart of a grape seed, which is hard to know from the outside.

He was skinny and translucent enough that we still should have been able to pick it up from an external examination. 

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

I don't dislike Pedersen.  He's just not the answer.

Right now he's the answer.

Weideman and O. McDonald could very well form a strong spine for five years but right now neither should be playing in the AFL.

In the case of Weideman we have a more than adequate replacement in Pedersen available.

Surprised people are giving Hibberd another week. From what I saw of the game today his kicking off half back was great. Unless we'd like to handball in circles inviting the opposition to take it off us and kick goals for another week, he comes in.