Where there's smoke there's...

[Demons1858 1,742]

More annoyed with him missing the game on the weekend. Would have helped up forward, and despite the perceptions his kicking accuracy (not kicking style) isn't bad. Good on him for having some down time. Surprises me that clubs insist players don't smoke although I understand why they might. 

[old demon me!!! 108]

On 4/10/2017 at 0:37 AM, picket fence said:

You are kidding me! Does a really stupid thing ( suspended) then goes out and wastes away at a festival having a smoke???

If I were Goodwin I would give him another week on top of his supension to really wake him up!  His father is sick?? So waste away?? Christ ,My old man died in really tragic circumstances but I never whinged or made excuses, which comprimised myself, family or sporting teams at the time!!

Looks and is very poor!

WOW !!! , sorry about your Dad but you are unbelievable you gotta joking right? wasting away !!! he was at a music festival !!! so what if he had a smoke at least he wasnt doing anything else which would have been there, oh he probably had a drink too again so what !! 

You dont know how bad his dad is and it would be very stressful, he is human and family comes first and its better than keeping it bottled up or else you can turn bitter and twisted and he hasnt compromised anything, he has let his hair down a little bit, so what !!! you dont know how much pressure he has on him over his dad for all we know that could have been a factor in his striking offence, just because you can put your emotion aside does not mean others can.

  

 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

On 4/9/2017 at 8:33 PM, daisycutter said:

you know it was just a ciggie?

Exactly, probably one of those new fandangled electronic vapour cigarettes...

Edited April 11, 2017 by Wadda We Sing

[Radar Detector 1,347]

19 hours ago, old demon me!!! said:

What a  bunch of prima donners we are,who bloody cares if he has a smoke he would still be fitter than most of us and thats being generous.

Also what kind of people get a thrill out of taking photos of an AFL player having a dart.

I didn't realise that was the standard for someone paid to be an elite athlete.

I get that Jesse isn't the only AFL player who smokes and it's not a hanging offence. But I do think it goes to Jesse's attitude and professionalism. The best sportspeople in the world, generally speaking, are supremely talented but also supremely dedicated to their field. I can't imagine Nathan Jones or Jack Viney darting up any more than I can Roger Federer or Steve Smith. And there is a reason for it... smoking is scientifically proven to diminish your health / fitness and fitness is a significant part of their livelihood. Truly professional athletes wouldn't go near it.

We as a club, and Jesse in particular, have had a bad couple of weeks with reckless suspensions and now this. If it was any other club we'd all be delighting at the wheels falling off. He owes us a big season on the back of his poor start. He should thank his lucky stars he is unlikely to get a club imposed suspension given the treatment Watts got for failing to meet standards. Goodwin and co would be fuming behind closed doors and should deal with him accordingly.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

3 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

. Surprises me that clubs insist players don't smoke although I understand why they might. 

Ummmm what?

Smoking reduces your lung capacity, which is a key factor of having elite aerobic capacity, which is a key component of being a good AFL player. Not to mention that smoking causes a whole range of diseases, and as a side note, that AFL players are (even if they don't want to be) role models for young kids. Plus many clubs have sponsors or associations with health organisations. 

Why the hell would clubs not frown upon players smoking? 

[old dee 23,762]

12 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Ummmm what?

Smoking reduces your lung capacity, which is a key factor of having elite aerobic capacity, which is a key component of being a good AFL player. Not to mention that smoking causes a whole range of diseases, and as a side note, that AFL players are (even if they don't want to be) role models for young kids. Plus many clubs have sponsors or associations with health organisations. 

Why the hell would clubs not frown upon players smoking? 

Now that is a very good question with only one answer I would think.

[Gator 17,261]

6 hours ago, picket fence said:

Just done some Math

A pack a day smoker will pay between $150-$175 bucks a week assuming $ 25 bucks a pkt

Over a month that = $600- 700 odd bucks

Over a year = over  $ 7, 000,00 

Over 10 years = 70 grand

Hnmm big bucks for a product that seriously halms your health and can kill you!

Now aint that info a breath of fresh air?

Just sayin

 

 

That's great.

WTF does it have to do with Hogan ?

[daisycutter 29,600]

1 hour ago, Radar Detector said:

.......... Goodwin and co would be fuming behind closed doors and should deal with him accordingly.

wasn't aware goody like a dart

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

It's the attitude thing which worries me and was it actually a cigarette he was smoking?

Edited April 11, 2017 by iv'a worn smith

[old dee 23,762]

3 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

It's the attitude thing which worries me and was it actually a cigarette he was smoking?

Do you mean tobacco iva?

It look like a tailor made to me But in these matters who would know nowadays.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Rolling machines are pretty good these days OD   ........ not that I partake.   Not sure whether it's my monitor, but I could not make out quite what is was, but it looked like a [censored] end to me.  ................................ Apparently if you use the colloquial for ciggie on here it get's censored.

Edited April 11, 2017 by iv'a worn smith

[old dee 23,762]

14 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Rolling machines are pretty good these days OD   ........ not that I partake.   Not sure whether it's my monitor, but I could not make out quite what is was, but it looked like a [censored] end to me.  ................................ Apparently if you use the colloquial for ciggie on here it get's censored.

I think I got the idea iva.

You may well be right. To be honest it would make more sense than tobacco.

[Demons1858 1,742]

1 hour ago, Radar Detector said:

 

Edited April 11, 2017 by Demons1858

[Demons1858 1,742]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Ummmm what?

Smoking reduces your lung capacity, which is a key factor of having elite aerobic capacity, which is a key component of being a good AFL player. Not to mention that smoking causes a whole range of diseases, and as a side note, that AFL players are (even if they don't want to be) role models for young kids. Plus many clubs have sponsors or associations with health organisations. 

Why the hell would clubs not frown upon players smoking? 

The players deserve some privacy. Clubs don't totally own them. I know this is not a conventional view and expected some negative posts. Agree with the health comments you make re smoking but its not illegal, lots of people do it, and its their lives. The club obviously aren't too concerned and they have watered down the issue. Drinking and gambling also lead to health issues so its all about moderation - note we have a wine sponsor and run a gaming venue. Lots of things in life have risks, we can't ask the players to be perfect at everything, the club certainly isn't. Its at the minor end of the scale for me. PS. I don't smoke, some might suggest I should start

[old dee 23,762]

3 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

The players deserve some privacy. Clubs don't totally own them. I know this is not a conventional view and expected some negative posts. Agree with the health comments you make re smoking but its not illegal, lots of people do it, and its their lives. The club obviously aren't too concerned and they have watered down the issue. Drinking and gambling also lead to health issues so its all about moderation - note we have a wine sponsor and run a gaming venue. Lots of things in life have risks, we can't ask the players to be perfect at everything, the club certainly isn't. Its at the minor end of the scale for me. PS. I don't smoke, some might suggest I should start

Just stay away from the tobacco D1958

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,687]

48 minutes ago, old dee said:

Do you mean tobacco iva?

It look like a tailor made to me But in these matters who would know nowadays.

You must have good eyesight and a high resolution PC. I couldn't even be sure it was Jesse Hogan.

[DeeMfc 621]

54 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

It's the attitude thing which worries me and was it actually a cigarette he was smoking?

Maybe he likes a sugar hit?

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

4 minutes ago, DeeMfc said:

Maybe he likes a sugar hit?

Now there's a blast from the past.  Us baby boomers were subjected to such marketing of confectionary.  There was even a candy cigar you could buy.  No wonder so many of us smoked back then,  After all, the old members was affectionately known as the 'smokers' stand

Edited April 11, 2017 by iv'a worn smith

[old dee 23,762]

4 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Now there's a blast from the past.  Us baby boomers were subjected to such marketing of confectionary.  There was even a candy cigar you could buy.  No wonder so many of us smoked back then,  After all, the old members was affectionately known as the 'smokers' stand

I well remember a cloud emanating from it in the 60's and 70's Iva. 

[old dee 23,762]

14 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

You must have good eyesight and a high resolution PC. I couldn't even be sure it was Jesse Hogan.

May I suggest to trip to Jb hifi LDC

[dpositive 1,663]

On 10/04/2017 at 3:54 PM, picket fence said:

Care to name names? I cannot believe in this day and age of accurate knowledge on the effects of smoking on the body that professional footballers much less any sportsman would smoke. Putting on my old Phys Ed Teachers hat,

Smoking is well-documented as a serious hazard to your health. It is also a serious hindrance to athletic performance, as it inhibits oxygen supply to your brain, heart and muscles. In addition, smoking decreases your body's capacity to heal, weakens your skeleton and raises your blood pressure. Athletes who smoke have less endurance, are weaker and suffer more injuries than their nonsmoking competitors.

Pulmonary Effects

Smoking has a pronounced effect on available oxygen in the body. The nicotine in cigarette smoke causes constriction of the bronchioles, which decreases the amount of oxygen that can enter the lungs. At the same time, nicotine constricts the blood vessels, decreasing the amount of blood flowing to the lungs. In addition, the smoke itself irritates the lungs, causing further bronchoconstriction. Carbon monoxide from smoke binds to hemoglobin, which would normally bind to oxygen, further decreasing the amount of oxygen the bloodstream.

Cardiovascular Effects

Smoking also limits cardiovascular performance. The heart depends on oxygen to function and, when oxygen levels are reduced, the heart is compromised. Nicotine's constriction of the blood vessels raises blood pressure and adds to the workload of the heart. Thus, athletes who smoke become fatigued faster than those who do not.

Musculoskeletal Effects

Smoking negatively affects the muscles and bones as well. During athletic activities, muscles need a constant supply of oxygen to perform. Smoking decreases the amount of blood flowing to the muscles. In addition, smoking lowers the amount of oxygen in the blood, further decreasing the muscles' ability to generate additional energy for movement.

Smoking increases a person's risk for osteoporosis. This effect is amplified in female athletes who already have a predisposition for osteoporosis. As the skeleton becomes more fragile, athletic activities become more dangerous due to risk of bone fracture.

Effects on Healing

Smoking causes the release of enzymes that break down collagen, a protein in skin and connective tissue. In addition, smoking slows the synthesis of collagen, which is necessary for healing. When tendons, ligaments or bones are injured, collagen fibers are integral to the healing process. Athletes who smoke will heal more slowly than nonsmoking athletes.

Long-term Effects

Smoking has immediate effects on athletic performance, but there are also long-term effects. Smoking causes lung cancer, emphysema, chronic bronchitis and asthma. These severe respiratory conditions can permanently end your athletic activities.

I would imagine the club would have explained these fact to players and given the professionalism expected If I were Goody I would not be at all impressed. But I have been known to be wrong!

Great info picket.

Itmakes you wonder why anyone smokes.

perhaps should be used when discussing contracts. You smoke your contract will be decreased to cover risk and affect factors.

Sponsorship impacts should also be considered as impact on salary.

These discussions should be had with Manager who can advise his client.

But seriously. Hope the club has an informal discussion withJesse. How's the old man? Saw pics of you at the music festival.Did you have a good time. Hope your feeling good and rarin to go.

His responses are more important than any of the ravings on here! But to add to them music is good for the soul, friends are necessary. I hope Jesse feels great and wants to play even better and longer with a club who cares about him.

[beelzebub 23,313]

All things aside i am actually amazed ANY athlete smokes.. Anything.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Smoking is becoming unpopular and less widespread. If the government cared about its ill effects on the public, they would legislate to ban the sale of tobacco and tobacco products to people born from the year 2000 onwards. They won't because the revenue they collect from it is too great. Really, they couldn't care less about the health of the public. They are disingenuous to suggest otherwise. 

That said, I'd prefer that our players didn't smoke.

[old dee 23,762]

8 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

Smoking is becoming unpopular and less widespread. If the government cared about its ill effects on the public, they would legislate to ban the sale of tobacco and tobacco products to people born from the year 2000 onwards. They won't because the revenue they collect from it is too great. Really, they couldn't care less about the health of the public. They are disingenuous to suggest otherwise. 

That said, I'd prefer that our players didn't smoke.

Prohibition never works PD it just creates an under ground demand that is supplied by organised crime.

Crime gets bigger and people use the illegal product.

 

[beelzebub 23,313]

Might as well tax the nuff nuffs