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  On 14/10/2017 at 00:01, SFebey said:

At first I thought it was a bit 50/50 but it makes sense, puts pressure on spots and who knows, he may be better than all of them. His goalkicking is also much sharper than Weids and as you say Hogan could end up at Freo, Weids could flop or go to Coll and Pedersen will most likely retire. I'm all for it. At old pick 2 turned into a late second round makes sense. 

I'll be very annoyed if Hogan decides in the next two years he's going to go home and we had the chance to get Schache for next to nothing now. Same with Tom Lynch by the middle of next year if he decides he wants to go back to Vic and Hogan then tells us the following year he wants to go home.  I really hope that by the middle of next year he signs up for 5 years and puts end to the endless speculation. Same with T Mac. Hope he doesn't carry on as a leader of the Club and hold off till the end of the year again. It's a downer for everyone else. 

 

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      On 13/10/2017 at 23:49, Redleg said:

    Then again we could have drafted Harry Toumpas or Johnny Cook, relatives of two former great picks.

    All is not lost Red. You can do that with the Watts pick

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      On 14/10/2017 at 01:04, It's Time said:

    I'll be very annoyed if Hogan decides in the next two years he's going to go home and we had the chance to get Schache for next to nothing now. Same with Tom Lynch by the middle of next year if he decides he wants to go back to Vic and Hogan then tells us the following year he wants to go home.  I really hope that by the middle of next year he signs up for 5 years and puts end to the endless speculation. Same with T Mac. Hope he doesn't carry on as a leader of the Club and hold off till the end of the year again. It's a downer for everyone else. 

     

    I think the AFL should put a date mid season for contract renewals, for eg by the end of round 11 a player must sign up if he intends to stay on. By then players, managers, clubs know how they're tracking for that year anyway and takes pressure off both player and club. If they don't re-sign then they're on the way out and clubs can then plan. I don't know, something like that I reckon may work. As it is, players are bending clubs over.

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      On 14/10/2017 at 01:14, SFebey said:

    I think the AFL should put a date mid season for contract renewals, for eg by the end of round 11 a player must sign up if he intends to stay on. By then players, managers, clubs know how they're tracking for that year anyway and takes pressure off both player and club. If they don't re-sign then they're on the way out and clubs can then plan. I don't know, something like that I reckon may work. As it is, players are bending clubs over.

    So what happens if they don't sign by that date? They have to leave? Wouldn't work. What if a player simply hasn't made up there mind yet but 6 weeks later they have.

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      On 13/10/2017 at 23:25, DemonAndrew said:

    If you  were to rate them now I’d actually go:

    1. Lever
    2. Marchbank
    3. Petracca
    4. Miller
    5. Maynard

    The maturity of Miller and Maynard as youngsters in (relatively) struggling sides has been super impressive

    And people who are down on Trac shouldn’t be - his consistency and approach to his football has, I think, been terrific

    Pretty good assessment DA I agree with your top 3 but would have

    4. De Goey

    5. Weller

    I see a fair bit of Freo living over here and think they have both Weller and Blakely coming nicely. Blakely is going to be an inside beast. De Goey has some X factor about him and a decent player who will become a goal kicking mid

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      On 14/10/2017 at 01:14, SFebey said:

    I think the AFL should put a date mid season for contract renewals, for eg by the end of round 11 a player must sign up if he intends to stay on. By then players, managers, clubs know how they're tracking for that year anyway and takes pressure off both player and club. If they don't re-sign then they're on the way out and clubs can then plan. I don't know, something like that I reckon may work. As it is, players are bending clubs over.

    That's a good idea, much better then the mess it is at the moment. If not your idea then something like it, surly the AFL could come up with something much better?

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      On 14/10/2017 at 01:04, It's Time said:

    I'll be very annoyed if Hogan decides in the next two years he's going to go home and we had the chance to get Schache for next to nothing now. Same with Tom Lynch by the middle of next year if he decides he wants to go back to Vic and Hogan then tells us the following year he wants to go home.  I really hope that by the middle of next year he signs up for 5 years and puts end to the endless speculation. Same with T Mac. Hope he doesn't carry on as a leader of the Club and hold off till the end of the year again. It's a downer for everyone else. 

     

    I believe we are already all over this and  plan B is already being worked on.

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      On 14/10/2017 at 02:39, SFebey said:

    Do tell......?

    All i will say is the club (despite many deelanders liking to think are amateurish specifically over the Watts scenario) are very forward thinking and post Neeld are are extremely professional.

    Contingency plans are in place for both options. They may not bare fruit but all options are being explored

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      On 14/10/2017 at 01:49, Pennant St Dee said:

    I believe we are already all over this and  plan B is already being worked on.

     

      On 14/10/2017 at 02:39, SFebey said:

    Do tell......?

     

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      On 14/10/2017 at 02:45, Pennant St Dee said:

    All i will say is the club (despite many deelanders liking to think are amateurish specifically over the Watts scenario) are very forward thonking and post Neeld area are extremely professional.

    Contingency plans are in place for both options. They may not bare fruit but all options are being explored

    Well that's a let down and stating the obvious there! Thought you were going to give us names....:mahoney:

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    As much as I love it, if anyone has inside info I'd prefer they don't share here. Just let the club go about their business quietly.

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      On 14/10/2017 at 02:51, SFebey said:

    Well that's a let down and stating the obvious there! Thought you were going to give us names....:mahoney:

    Never give names

    Enough said

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      On 13/10/2017 at 11:22, RalphiusMaximus said:

    It's great that we've got Lever to the club.  I rated him as a junior and he's shown himself to be a quality player ever since.  However, I can't agree with paying that much to get the trade done.  We paid more for Lever than Geelong paid for Dangerfield.  That's a damn poor deal in my book. 

    Lever will start his first season with the Dees having just turned 22.

    Dangerfield started his first season with the Cats about to turn 26.

    Dangerfield was also a free agent so Cats we really doing Crows a favour by trading.

    Watching Crows reel to celebrate Lever's 50 milestone has me satisfied with deal. 21 year old 195 cm elite intercept marker and spoiler, plays long ie marks/spoils with arms fully extended. Has nice competitive edge. Our defence will love playing alongside Jake.

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    Petracca isn't the best performed (yet) of the class of 2014.

    But if there was an open market he'd still be the first one every other club would take. 

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    Was discussing the loss of Frawley and compensation pick value (They think he wasn't worth 3) and realised that Lever coming to us really is closure on the whole sorry saga of losing an AA FB and having to play 3 years without one and not being able to negate key forwards. 

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      On 14/10/2017 at 06:51, Deeprived Childhood said:

    Was discussing the loss of Frawley and compensation pick value (They think he wasn't worth 3) and realised that Lever coming to us really is closure on the whole sorry saga of losing an AA FB and having to play 3 years without one and not being able to negate key forwards. 

    It took you 3 years to get over Frawley?

     

    Took most 3 minutes.

     

    Be careful using the adjective AA.  It puts Rance and Frawley on an equal pedestal.

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      On 14/10/2017 at 08:34, TGR said:

     

     

    Be careful using the adjective AA.  It puts Rance and Frawley on an equal pedestal.

    How does that work, one is a multiple AA whilst the other put one really good season together. 

    It's like comparing Dean Cox to Jamar

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      On 14/10/2017 at 08:34, TGR said:

    It took you 3 years to get over Frawley?

     

    Took most 3 minutes.

     

    Be careful using the adjective AA.  It puts Rance and Frawley on an equal pedestal.

    It doesn't put them on an equal pedestal at all, Rance is a "4 time AA FB" and we lost an AA FB. The Frawley topic only came about due to a discussion over Motlops compensation. 3 years pertains to the time we've spent without a full back (Or elite defender) that fits into our planning going forward (ie not Dunn) and only now have we addressed a deficiency that our list management have said was our key priority. Has nothing to do with not getting over losing Frawley, just a realisation that his leaving did actually set us back which doesn't seem to be discussed around these days. 

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      On 14/10/2017 at 06:51, Deeprived Childhood said:

    Was discussing the loss of Frawley and compensation pick value (They think he wasn't worth 3) and realised that Lever coming to us really is closure on the whole sorry saga of losing an AA FB and having to play 3 years without one and not being able to negate key forwards. 

    Dunn was better than Frawley, nevertheless, neither were within their prime to hold a spot today, to me that is:..

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      On 14/10/2017 at 08:54, Deeprived Childhood said:

    It doesn't put them on an equal pedestal at all, Rance is a "4 time AA FB" and we lost an AA FB. The Frawley topic only came about due to a discussion over Motlops compensation. 3 years pertains to the time we've spent without a full back (Or elite defender) that fits into our planning going forward (ie not Dunn) and only now have we addressed a deficiency that our list management have said was our key priority. Has nothing to do with not getting over losing Frawley, just a realisation that his leaving did actually set us back which doesn't seem to be discussed around these days. 

    Good point, would've made the difference in 2017...

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      On 14/10/2017 at 03:51, demoniac said:

    Lever will start his first season with the Dees having just turned 22.

    Dangerfield started his first season with the Cats about to turn 26.

    Dangerfield was also a free agent so Cats we really doing Crows a favour by trading.

    Watching Crows reel to celebrate Lever's 50 milestone has me satisfied with deal. 21 year old 195 cm elite intercept marker and spoiler, plays long ie marks/spoils with arms fully extended. Has nice competitive edge. Our defence will love playing alongside Jake.

    Can you show me one new article where an industry person has indicated we paid under's?

    I can show you a heap of them that say we paid overs and that's because we did.

    Also listened to SOS this morning talking about how he expects less trade value for uncontracted players than contracted players like Gibbs.

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      On 14/10/2017 at 16:43, DeezNuts said:

    Dunn was better than Frawley, nevertheless, neither were within their prime to hold a spot today, to me that is:..

    Frawley is a very good player and was instrumental in the Hawks winning the 2015 flag - he had a tremendous final 3 finals when he was played in his correct position as key back.

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