RECRUITS WHO WILL HAVE THE MOST IMPACT IN 2017

[PaulRB 6,359]

3 hours ago, A F said:

I forget where I read it, but Goodwin flagged co-captaincy as a potential for 2017, so let's wait and see.

It will be Jack Viney, who's our next Captain or co-Captain. Bleeds Red and Blue, leads by example and as good a player as Lewis...

[stuie 7,374]

8 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

It will be Jack Viney, who's our next Captain or co-Captain. Bleeds Red and Blue, leads by example and as good a player as Lewis...

I wouldn't have thought so. Viney is only 22 and we hopefully have learned our lesson about young captains.

Jones, or Jones and Lewis if the players and coaches see fit.

 

[Ted Lasso 19,459]

Off field Jordan lewis

on field I reckon hibberd will be extremely handy for us 

[jnrmac 20,058]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm a little more circumspect on Lewis as I want to see if the trade has freshened him up......

Yeah 4 time premiership player who won their contested posession count and came 2nd in their B&F....I hope he's not that 'stale' when he plays for us.

[Dante 2,739]

15 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm a little more circumspect on Lewis as I want to see if the trade has freshened him up and if he can adapt to the new role as well as the mental challenges of leaving an experienced team for a young one. It's going to be difficult to measure his effect on other players, but I'm hoping he gets the balance of aggression and antisocial football right and can step up in big moments. It sounds like they'll either play him on the wing or in a versatile role as well, both of which he'll probably have to adapt to.

Purely on field if he gets back to his best Hibberd can probably offer as much if not more than Lewis. It's just going to be a question of if he can get and stay fit.

I'm a little disappointed Hannan hasn't got in to full training yet, making it hard to see how advanced he is. I think there's a spot in the side for a medium forward who has the versatility to play close to goal, up the ground and even rotate on to a wing. Maybe he gets his feet at Casey for a while and makes an impact in the back end of the season.

I doubt that Lewis will need freshening up, he is a professional footballer so the adjustment should be simple for him, he will adapt to the new game plan like all pro's do.

I think he will be happy to have Bernie around him, to share the load of the anti social football side of things and vice versa.

 

 

[Fork 'em 6,983]

Lewis is a competitive beast.
I'm sure he'd love to do this to top off his career.

 

Edited January 20, 2017 by Fork 'em

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16 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Yeah 4 time premiership player who won their contested posession count and came 2nd in their B&F....I hope he's not that 'stale' when he plays for us.

The premierships are mostly irrelevant to his actual week to week performance. The contested possession may be too if he's given a new role. The B+F finish was nice but it really shows how many of the Hawks guns had down years last year. I thought Lewis had a lot of off games and moments in games where he didn't find that next gear. Clarko thought he only had 1 year left at Hawthorn. We've given him 3. That tells me we expect him to freshen up with new training, a new role etc.

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4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The premierships are mostly irrelevant to his actual week to week performance. The contested possession may be too if he's given a new role. The B+F finish was nice but it really shows how many of the Hawks guns had down years last year. I thought Lewis had a lot of off games and moments in games where he didn't find that next gear. Clarko thought he only had 1 year left at Hawthorn. We've given him 3. That tells me we expect him to freshen up with new training, a new role etc.

LOL trying to justify that comment

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6 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

LOL trying to justify that comment

'It's a new challenge'
“I’m basically the new kid, no matter how well I've done at another club there's no brownie points here.”

2 or 3 years ago if we recruited Lewis he'd have been our best player similar to Bernie Vince and would've just gone about his business in the midfield. 

Now I think he'll have to do what Bernie did this year which was move around a bit and play some different roles as we find room for Viney, Tyson, Jones, Oliver, Brayshaw etc.

Combine that with the inconsistencies of a young side without the skill level he's accustomed to and it's not always an easy transition. 

Goddard and Dal Santo are 2 incredibly good players who went to new clubs at a similar age as Lewis and neither set the world on fire. That's all I'm trying to say. Dal Santo probably adapted better to running a wing and doing a role. Obviously Essendon went balls up pretty quickly but even before then Goddard was a bit of a mixed bag.

 

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

'It's a new challenge'
“I’m basically the new kid, no matter how well I've done at another club there's no brownie points here.”

2 or 3 years ago if we recruited Lewis he'd have been our best player similar to Bernie Vince and would've just gone about his business in the midfield. 

Now I think he'll have to do what Bernie did this year which was move around a bit and play some different roles as we find room for Viney, Tyson, Jones, Oliver, Brayshaw etc.

Combine that with the inconsistencies of a young side without the skill level he's accustomed to and it's not always an easy transition. 

Goddard and Dal Santo are 2 incredibly good players who went to new clubs at a similar age as Lewis and neither set the world on fire. That's all I'm trying to say. Dal Santo probably adapted better to running a wing and doing a role. Obviously Essendon went balls up pretty quickly but even before then Goddard was a bit of a mixed bag.

 

Lewis is a winner, though.  He knows how to win and he knows what it takes to win.  He knows it takes 22 blokes all doing what is required of them, regardless of their role, and I have no doubt that a bloke of his experience will adapt quickly.  He doesn't need to dominate games for us, he just needs to continue to help set the standards and have an impact on game day.  That's good enough for me.

As someone pointed out elsewhere, we don't need him to be the 'messiah' as such - we need him to be the cream on the larger cake.

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22 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

 He doesn't need to dominate games for us, he just needs to continue to help set the standards and have an impact on game day.  That's good enough for me.

 

Me too.
If he can improve our training habits and direct some traffic on gameday etc, he'll be worth his weight in gold.

 

 

Edited January 20, 2017 by Fork 'em

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

As long as he knows the "Grand old Flag"

[DeeSpencer 25,646]

55 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Lewis is a winner, though.  He knows how to win and he knows what it takes to win.  He knows it takes 22 blokes all doing what is required of them, regardless of their role, and I have no doubt that a bloke of his experience will adapt quickly.  He doesn't need to dominate games for us, he just needs to continue to help set the standards and have an impact on game day.  That's good enough for me.

As someone pointed out elsewhere, we don't need him to be the 'messiah' as such - we need him to be the cream on the larger cake.

That will do me as well. My thoughts were simply in line with people calling for him to be co-captain or an on field general. Even with his pedigree that's a lot to ask for any recruit. 

 

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20 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

That will do me as well. My thoughts were simply in line with people calling for him to be co-captain or an on field general. Even with his pedigree that's a lot to ask for any recruit. 

 

The co-captaincy stuff is a bit silly if people are suggesting that, but the 'on field general' part is something he can do from the periphery.  Doing this alongside guys like Viney, Tyson etc. will be terrific and won't take too much from his end.  

I agree that it's a lot to ask of any recruit - you wouldn't ask it of Hibberd, for example - but I think it will just come naturally to Lewis.  We won't have to ask him to do it, he will take it upon himself to do it.

[CBDees 3,167]

12 hours ago, willmoy said:

As long as he knows the "Grand old Flag"

As long as he gets hoarse singing it! 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,735]

On 1/19/2017 at 6:02 PM, Cards13 said:

What a way to really make Jordan Jewis, co-captain of the greatest club in the world. Help lead us to greatness again. The next 3 years will show what he is made of and remind a bucketload of Hawks fans how good this guy is as a player.

 

On 1/19/2017 at 7:07 PM, DeeSpencer said:

I'm a little more circumspect on Lewis as I want to see if the trade has freshened him up and if he can adapt to the new role as well as the mental challenges of leaving an experienced team for a young one. It's going to be difficult to measure his effect on other players, but I'm hoping he gets the balance of aggression and antisocial football right and can step up in big moments. It sounds like they'll either play him on the wing or in a versatile role as well, both of which he'll probably have to adapt to.

Purely on field if he gets back to his best Hibberd can probably offer as much if not more than Lewis. It's just going to be a question of if he can get and stay fit.

I'm a little disappointed Hannan hasn't got in to full training yet, making it hard to see how advanced he is. I think there's a spot in the side for a medium forward who has the versatility to play close to goal, up the ground and even rotate on to a wing. Maybe he gets his feet at Casey for a while and makes an impact in the back end of the season.

Just a couple of minor edits and there's a whole story here about someone taking on that other team, the Pharaohs. Add in the blue waters of the Red Sea, and you've got a replacement for Moses leading the Jews MFC to a Premiership near the River Jordan. Just hope we're not heading for another 40 years in the wilderness.

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7 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Just a couple of minor edits and there's a whole story here about someone taking on that other team, the Pharaohs. Add in the blue waters of the Red Sea, and you've got a replacement for Moses leading the Jews MFC to a Premiership near the River Jordan. Just hope we're not heading for another 40 years in the wilderness.

very timely you bring up the pharaohs, ldvc. i've just been doing some reading on ancient kemet (KmT) aka egypt and came across this commemorative poster of their 1858 bc KFL grand final. You can see the two teams lined up in the centre and above them the 5 umpires carrying the match balls (one central, 2 goal and 2 boundary umps as it used to be). The interesting thing to note on the poster is a previous incarnation of our own maximus gawnius as the very tall star studded one overarching everyone. He was know then appropriately as "nut" the sky god.  his name was the origin of the term nutter as maximus is known to be on occasions. couldn't work out who won but it wouldn't matter as the pharaoh owned both franchises. the ground was adjacent to the nile and you can see some spectators watching from boats near the top of the poster. it also seems it was a night final so the afl is quite behind the times

 

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can't wait to see lewis in the middle singing it's a grand old flag after we [censored] the saints round 1!

[PaulRB 6,359]

On 1/19/2017 at 3:23 AM, PaulRB said:

It will be Jack Viney, who's our next Captain or co-Captain. Bleeds Red and Blue, leads by example and as good a player as Lewis...

Boom! 

Stue!?!