10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The same Beveridge who has only rarely played the slow and unathletic Will Minson in the ruck despite him being by far the Dogs best tap ruckman? Or who has routinely played barely 1 key defender and no lock down back pockets and backed his rebounding defenders to play a zone and attacked based system?

I like Dunny. I'd love to keep him as I think  he's fitter now than earlier in the year and with a big preseason could take his spot back from Frost or Oscar, and would at least be depth. But if we are lumped with Garland and we can get something from Dunn then I'd understand why moving him on is the right result.

Not sure what relevance Minson has to your argument. I'd never play Spencer as the no.1 ruckman for that very reason.

As for the Dogs key defenders, due to injury, Beveridge has played those that he's had at his disposal. Morris, Hamling and Adams have all been played as stay at home defenders. He obviously saw the need in that area when he started the job because he's brought in Hamling and Adams since he arrived.

We have plenty of depth for defenders.  If Dunn left the remaining defenders who did not play round 23 are:  Wagner, Melksham, Lumumba, Garland, Jones, (Hibberd).  They are not all a straight swap for Dunn (height) but could play a role if a defender went down, with a bit of juggling of players. 

Its sad to say but Dunn won't be depth, he will be a Casey player.  I would rather he takes his chances elsewhere who need him than see his contract out in the reserves.

And we need players in other positions so any trade picks we get in will help us get those players. 

I am a huge fan of Dunn, and like Watts, he seems to be one of those heart-and-soul players around the club who everyone admires. Even though I see a huge upside in Omac, I was a bit disappointed that Dunn's form in the VFL never earnt him a recall. He is definitely AFL standard and will provide stability and leadership for a young team, just as he did with us a while back. His trade worth is probably not as high as it could have been,  ut his VFL finals series might have increased his worth a bit.

All the best Dunny. It will be sad to see you playing against the Dees, but all the best. 

Dunn and next year's first rounder for Hanley?

 

13 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

I am a huge fan of Dunn, and like Watts, he seems to be one of those heart-and-soul players around the club who everyone admires. Even though I see a huge upside in Omac, I was a bit disappointed that Dunn's form in the VFL never earnt him a recall. He is definitely AFL standard and will provide stability and leadership for a young team, just as he did with us a while back. His trade worth is probably not as high as it could have been,  ut his VFL finals series might have increased his worth a bit.

All the best Dunny. It will be sad to see you playing against the Dees, but all the best. 

Where's the evidence for this? It may well be true, but I haven't seen it. 

9 minutes ago, stuie said:

Dunn and next year's first rounder for Hanley?

 

No way

10 minutes ago, stuie said:

Dunn and next year's first rounder for Hanley?

 

Overs IMO. Hanley is a good player but goes missing a bit. Hell, I probably would think about it if our first rounder was 18 though

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

Dunn and next year's first rounder for Hanley?

 

Thats a shocking deal..

First of all You don't just give up a first rounder for a 28 year old who can be inconsistent at times along with a player that still has a good 2-3 years of footy. 

Really id do a straight sway with Dunn for Hanley but Brisbane want a 1st rounder which is ludicrous.

Just now, Mickey said:

No way

Why not? Next year's first rounder for us will likely be somewhere around 12-15, Lions want a top 10 pick, seems fair to me.

 

13 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'd be asking for their second round pick straight up.

give Brisbane Grimes too for their second round pick.

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Thats a shocking deal..

First of all You don't just give up a first rounder for a 28 year old who can be inconsistent at times along with a player that still has a good 2-3 years of footy. 

Really id do a straight sway with Dunn for Hanley but Brisbane want a 1st rounder which is ludicrous.

He's 27.

Dunn for Hanley?! Hahaha Wut?!

Just now, stuie said:

Why not? Next year's first rounder for us will likely be somewhere around 12-15, Lions want a top 10 pick, seems fair to me.

 

Because I don't think we need hanley, and without a first rounder this year need to hang on to next year's. 

1 minute ago, ickey_11 said:

give Brisbane Grimes too for their second round pick.

Free agent mate.

 

1 minute ago, Mickey said:

Because I don't think we need hanley, and without a first rounder this year need to hang on to next year's. 

I have a feeling we'll have another first rounder (or two) either this year or next thanks to a homesick key forward...

 

Just now, stuie said:

He's 27.

Dunn for Hanley?! Hahaha Wut?!

He's 27 and 10 months and will be 28 when the season starts.

I would be totally p155ed if we traded a first round pick for a player that is inconsistent and 28 years old. What purpose would that serve?

 

1 minute ago, Dante said:

He's 27 and 10 months and will be 28 when the season starts.

I would be totally p155ed if we traded a first round pick for a player that is inconsistent and 28 years old. What purpose would that serve?

 

Soooooo he's 27 then, like I said.

 

9 minutes ago, stuie said:

He's 27.

Dunn for Hanley?! Hahaha Wut?!

1st rounder and Dunn for Hanley? hahah Wut!?

Again its a bad deal. Why the need to give up so much for a guy that's a bit inconsistent?

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by dazzledavey36

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

1st rounder and Dunn for Hanley? hahah Wut!?

Again its a bad deal. Why the need to give up so much for a guy that's a bit inconsistent?

But you think a VFL player in Dunn for Hanley is a fair deal? Righto...

 

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

But you think a VFL player in Dunn for Hanley is a fair deal? Righto...

 

And you think giving up a 1st rounder +VFL player for Inconsistent Hanley is a suitable deal?? Jesus...

Good god are you Tim Harrington/Mark Neeld?!

Again let try and put it in more simple terms. You don't give up 1st rounders for a bloke thats going to be 28 next year who is known to be inconsistent.

You have to take age factor and form into it as well stuie. Brisbane fans were screaming for him to be dropped this year. You keep your 1st rounders for players in the ilk of Wines, Dylan Shiel, Rory Lobb, Peter Wright types that will all come out of contract either next year or so. These are the type of players that will be able to still give us a good 6-8 years of solid service. Not for someone thats going to be 28 next year on inconsistent form and probably has 2 years left.

 

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

It's an interesting one. 

Of course it's only VFL, but watching the game on the weekend I thought he looked as solid as I've ever seen. He played with super confidence, used the ball really well and was combative in the contest. He rarely made an error.

We've seen him produce that kind of footy only over the course of one year. (2013 or 14?). 

Unlike Garland, I still think that there's a spot for Dunn in our backline but only if he can produce his best footy consistently. We have nobody who can mind the bigger bodies and when his kicking and decision making is on song, it's a weapon.

Maybe his demotion to the VFL at this point in his career will be the kick he needs going into next year? Or maybe it won't and we'll see him traded?

It's difficult to know how much influence Roos had in making the calls to demote both Dunn and Garland for the majority of the year and I wonder whether Goody may give Dunn another chance. Like others, I think Garland's days are numbered. He is just that in between size player who doesn't have any real weapons and is incredibly inconsistent.

If Dunn has a ripper Grand Final on Saturday, it'll certainly make things interesting. 

 

Gone.  He needs a fresh start to rekindle his desire for top footy.  He has always played when he wanted to.  Or has to.   Contract years.  Whats changed?

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

And you think giving up a 1st rounder +VFL player for Inconsistent Hanley is a suitable deal?? Jesus...

Good god are you Tim Harrington/Mark Neeld?!

Again let try and put it in more simple terms. You don't give up 1st rounders for a bloke thats going to be 28 next year who is known to be inconsistent.

You have to take age factor and form into it as well stuie. Brisbane fans were screaming for him to be dropped this year. You keep your 1st rounders for players in the ilk of Wines, Dylan Shiel, Rory Lobb, Peter Wright types that will all come out of contract either next year or so. These are the type of players that will be able to still give us a good 6-8 years of solid service. Not for someone thats going to be 28 next year on inconsistent form and probably has 2 years left.

 

Ok, we'll see what the reaction is when Mahoney offers up Dunn for Hanley then...

FMD.

 

48 minutes ago, stuie said:

Dunn and next year's first rounder for Hanley?

 

 

37 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Thats a shocking deal..

First of all You don't just give up a first rounder for a 28 year old who can be inconsistent at times along with a player that still has a good 2-3 years of footy. 

Really id do a straight sway with Dunn for Hanley but Brisbane want a 1st rounder which is ludicrous.

My big problem with Hanley is that he's shown himself up to be very unprofessional in his approach.

Seemed to sook a lot this season because he didn't like the coach...and this showed up in his performance and on ground demeanour.

Not a good look.

I would pass.

 

42 minutes ago, ickey_11 said:

give Brisbane Grimes too for their second round pick.

Grimes & Dunn to Tigers for Delidio.

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Ok, we'll see what the reaction is when Mahoney offers up Dunn for Hanley then...

FMD.

 

If Brisbane badly want Dunn then I'm sure there is no harm in asking the question is there considering he probably still has another 2 years of good solid footy up in Brisbane.

Of course the answer will be no so then we move on. Not someone worth giving up a 1st rounder and a player Timmy Harrington..

4 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

My big problem with Hanley is that he's shown himself up to be very unprofessional in his approach.

Seemed to sook a lot this season because he didn't like the coach...and this showed up in his performance and on ground demeanour.

Not a good look.

I would pass.

 

I'm pretty sure this is the reason that Brisbane are shopping him around. Usually clubs employing a new coach would retain a talent like Hanley, but clearly the club don't see him as a good influence on a young list.

A big no for me based on the reasons above and his age.