Its mentioned in the small paper that hes choosing between staying in geelong or joining former teammate Mathew Egan as an assistant development coach.

3 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Its mentioned in the small paper that hes choosing between staying in geelong or joining former teammate Mathew Egan as an assistant development coach.

One day people won't understand what that refers to. The Age has been tabloid (sorry, "compact") for a few years now and The Herald ceased to exist in 1990.

23 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Its mentioned in the small paper that hes choosing between staying in geelong or joining former teammate Mathew Egan as an assistant development coach.

I like the sound of this. To have such an experienced and well liked triple premiership player who's only just retired to work with our young defenders would be wonderful.

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by McQueen

25 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Its mentioned in the small paper that hes choosing between staying in geelong or joining former teammate Mathew Egan as an assistant development coach.

I hope not.  We have enough rookie coaches having recently recruited Troy Chaplin, Egan and Goodwin aren't that experience either.  Ditto, Cross is inexperienced as a development coach.  Is Shannon Byrne still with us?  

We suffered badly when Neeld came in as a rookie coach and brought in some quite inexperienced coaches.  I'm not comparing Neeld to Goodwin, just saying there is a limit to the lack of experience on a coaching panel, especially with such a young team and a leadership player group still learning the ropes. 

While we have Macca as a very experienced senior coach, we don't have a 'coaching director' ala Neil Balme to stand back and co-ordinate it all and 'call the shots'.  Roos performed this role along with the senior coach role last year.

Anyway, do we even have a coaching spot available? We have lost 2 and added 2?

If we didn't have Chaplin I'd be all for Enright, in fact I'd prefer him by a country mile.

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I hope not.  We have enough rookie coaches having recently recruited Troy Chaplin, Egan and Goodwin aren't that experience either.  Ditto, Cross is inexperienced as a development coach.  Is Shannon Byrne still with us?  

We suffered badly when Neeld came in as a rookie coach and brought in some quite inexperienced coaches.  I'm not comparing Neeld to Goodwin, just saying there is a limit to the lack of experience on a coaching panel, especially with such a young team and a leadership player group still learning the ropes. 

While we have Macca as a very experienced senior coach, we don't have a 'coaching director' ala Neil Balme to stand back and co-ordinate it all and 'call the shots'.  Roos performed this role along with the senior coach role last year.

Anyway, do we even have a coaching spot available? We have lost 2 and added 2?

If we didn't have Chaplin I'd be all for Enright, in fact I'd prefer him by a country mile.

Rawlings and McCartney have coached their own AFL sides. Matthews, McPherson and Jennings have been around the block, as has Egan. Viney and Mahoney aren't far away from things either. There's always room for excellent football people at the club.

17 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I hope not.  We have enough rookie coaches having recently recruited Troy Chaplin, Egan and Goodwin aren't that experience either.  Ditto, Cross is inexperienced as a development coach.  Is Shannon Byrne still with us?  

We suffered badly when Neeld came in as a rookie coach and brought in some quite inexperienced coaches.  I'm not comparing Neeld to Goodwin, just saying there is a limit to the lack of experience on a coaching panel, especially with such a young team and a leadership player group still learning the ropes. 

While we have Macca as a very experienced senior coach, we don't have a 'coaching director' ala Neil Balme to stand back and co-ordinate it all and 'call the shots'.  Roos performed this role along with the senior coach role last year.

Anyway, do we even have a coaching spot available? We have lost 2 and added 2?

If we didn't have Chaplin I'd be all for Enright, in fact I'd prefer him by a country mile.

Was it the Bulldogs that had Joel Corey and Matt Scarlett start their assistant coaching careers with them?  I think Corey is still there actually.

If Enright wants to join Melbourne, I'll happily open the doors for him.  Especially given the relationship he would have with McCartney.

17 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I hope not.  We have enough rookie coaches having recently recruited Troy Chaplin, Egan and Goodwin aren't that experience either.  Ditto, Cross is inexperienced as a development coach.  Is Shannon Byrne still with us?  

We suffered badly when Neeld came in as a rookie coach and brought in some quite inexperienced coaches.  I'm not comparing Neeld to Goodwin, just saying there is a limit to the lack of experience on a coaching panel, especially with such a young team and a leadership player group still learning the ropes. 

While we have Macca as a very experienced senior coach, we don't have a 'coaching director' ala Neil Balme to stand back and co-ordinate it all and 'call the shots'.  Roos performed this role along with the senior coach role last year.

Anyway, do we even have a coaching spot available? We have lost 2 and added 2?

If we didn't have Chaplin I'd be all for Enright, in fact I'd prefer him by a country mile.

McCartney's new role is to oversee performance of players and coaches, as Egan becomes head of development. 

Losing Roos and his 1-1.5million dollar salary might free up room for a few extra coaches. Enright might not have the knowledge of coaching but he knows absolutely everything about playing on a back flank. If they want him I wouldn't turn him down for lack of experience.

Would be a great get and would work well with Egan being ex teammates 

I think if you can get people of the footy caliber of Boris in the door you certainly have to look at it, maybe we could ask if he wants to play one more year and transition into coaching that way, we could certainly use his experience/leadership on the field.

14 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Was it the Bulldogs that had Joel Corey and Matt Scarlett start their assistant coaching careers with them?  I think Corey is still there actually.

If Enright wants to join Melbourne, I'll happily open the doors for him.  Especially given the relationship he would have with McCartney.

They went when Macca did, as did Cam Mooney. 

 

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

McCartney's new role is to oversee performance of players and coaches, as Egan becomes head of development. 

Losing Roos and his 1-1.5million dollar salary might free up room for a few extra coaches. Enright might not have the knowledge of coaching but he knows absolutely everything about playing on a back flank. If they want him I wouldn't turn him down for lack of experience.

McCartney still reports to Goodwin rather than the other way round.  McCartney is more of a senior assistant.

Yes, we have experienced people in other positions at the club:  Viney, Mahoney etc and agree it is great to have them but they are not day to day coaches, nor will they be calling the shots.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Enright.

My point was that having recruited Chaplin, how many rookie coaches can a young developing team have?  Especially without the guiding hand of a Roos or a Balme at the helm. 

Anyway, will leave it at that.

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Has there been any player more respected in recent times than Corey Enright? Honest question, I'd be interested to hear nominations.

Imagine a young player who is going 'ok' but currently on the fringe, battling for a spot amongst a large group of HBF/midfielders on Melbourne's list, and questioning whether they are going to make it as an AFL player.

Once a week Corey Enright, the triple-premiership player Geelong rated above Ablett, takes you aside for an intensive 1-1 training session and a chat about your most recent game over coffee.

 

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by Little Goffy

33 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I hope not.  We have enough rookie coaches having recently recruited Troy Chaplin, Egan and Goodwin aren't that experience either.  Ditto, Cross is inexperienced as a development coach.  Is Shannon Byrne still with us?  

We suffered badly when Neeld came in as a rookie coach and brought in some quite inexperienced coaches.  I'm not comparing Neeld to Goodwin, just saying there is a limit to the lack of experience on a coaching panel, especially with such a young team and a leadership player group still learning the ropes. 

While we have Macca as a very experienced senior coach, we don't have a 'coaching director' ala Neil Balme to stand back and co-ordinate it all and 'call the shots'.  Roos performed this role along with the senior coach role last year.

Anyway, do we even have a coaching spot available? We have lost 2 and added 2?

If we didn't have Chaplin I'd be all for Enright, in fact I'd prefer him by a country mile.

To have someone of Enright's calibre at our club fresh off the back of another AA gig would be handy for any club.

Chaplin and Enright are and were poles apart as players and the knowledge and teachings Enright could hand down to young guys like Hunt would be invaluable. The entire backline group would benefit from having him at the club.

I'm less enamoured by the Chaplin appointment but that's also because as a player, he was nowhere near the player Enright was.

So let's not compare the two.

 

14 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

To have someone of Enright's calibre at our club fresh off the back of another AA gig would be handy for any club.

Chaplin and Enright are and were poles apart as players and the knowledge and teachings Enright could hand down to young guys like Hunt would be invaluable. The entire backline group would benefit from having him at the club.

I'm less enamoured by the Chaplin appointment but that's also because as a player, he was nowhere near the player Enright was.

So let's not compare the two.

 

Would you prefer Clarkson or Beveridge as a coach or Buckley?  

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

They went when Macca did, as did Cam Mooney. 

 

McCartney still reports to Goodwin rather than the other way round.  McCartney is more of a senior assistant.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Enright.

My point was that having recruited Chaplin, how many rookie coaches can a young developing team have?  Especially without the guiding hand of a Roos or a Balme at the helm. 

Anyway, will leave it at that.

Corey is still there. A vital part to their success as stoppage coach. You might not see him hiding under the beard.

I don't think the reporting structure is all that relevant. The senior coach is always going to have more power and responsibility than some coaching director. McCartney doesn't have to be above Goodwin to oversee the development of the other coaches:

"He was initially appointed development and strategy coach, but in September 2016 was named player/coach performance manager in line with Simon Goodwin’s elevation to senior coach.The role oversees the development of Melbourne’s coaches, along with driving the performance of the club’s player group. McCartney continues to work closely in player development with Matthew Egan."

The point of how many inexperienced coaches is certainly valid. But our line coaches are settled, Egan's coached since 2009 and even Chaplin has been working towards a coaching career for 5 years. I think there's room for 1 more inexperienced guy.

9 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

To have someone of Enright's calibre at our club fresh off the back of another AA gig would be handy for any club.

Chaplin and Enright are and were poles apart as players and the knowledge and teachings Enright could hand down to young guys like Hunt would be invaluable. The entire backline group would benefit from having him at the club.

I'm less enamoured by the Chaplin appointment but that's also because as a player, he was nowhere near the player Enright was.

So let's not compare the two.

I didn't compare the two.  I clearly said I would prefer Enright by a country mile.

To repeat:  My point was that having recruited Chaplin, how many rookie coaches can a young developing team have?  Especially without the guiding hand of a Roos or a Balme at the helm. 

The role Roos or a Balme had/have is very different to player and coach performance that Macca now has.  They called the shots on all things coaching and player management decisions while others had day to day responsibility for making the decisions happen.

Folks, please read what I actually write!

Definitely, checking out now

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 minutes ago, A F said:

Would you prefer Clarkson or Beveridge as a coach or Buckley?  

I fail to see the point you're trying to make given that none of Chaplin, Enright or Egan are going to become head coach of the MFC.

Not only that, Enright and Chaplin both played footy this year with the former being crowned one of Geelong's greatest ever players and potentially will go down as the greatest ever half-back the world will see. 

They're both beginning their coaching careers and I'm making the point that regardless of 'coaching title' or 'coaching inexperience', someone like Enright could have a have a huge effect on the development of the backline given his status and someone who has just finished playing football.

Your post doesn't make sense.

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by stevethemanjordan

3 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

To have someone of Enright's calibre at our club fresh off the back of another AA gig would be handy for any club.

Chaplin and Enright are and were poles apart as players and the knowledge and teachings Enright could hand down to young guys like Hunt would be invaluable. The entire backline group would benefit from having him at the club.

I'm less enamoured by the Chaplin appointment but that's also because as a player, he was nowhere near the player Enright was.

So let's not compare the two.

 

I'm not sure why you equate being a good player, with being a good coach. So many very succesful coaches throughout the world have been average players.

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't compare the two.  I clearly said I would prefer Enright by a country mile.

To repeat:  My point was that having recruited Chaplin, how many rookie coaches can a young developing team have?  Especially without the guiding hand of a Roos or a Balme at the helm. 

Folks, please read what I actually write!

Definitely, checking out now

Well, the answer seems obvious doesn't it? 

As many as our budget will allow?

There's no substitute for development and I hardly think the MFC would appoint anyone they don't deem fit for the position.

30 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I fail to see the point you're trying to make given that none of Chaplin, Enright or Egan are going to become head coach of the MFC.

Not only that, Enright and Chaplin both played footy this year with the former being crowned one of Geelong's greatest ever players and potentially will go down as the greatest ever half-back the world will see. 

They're both beginning their coaching careers and I'm making the point that regardless of 'coaching title' or 'coaching inexperience', someone like Enright could have a have a huge effect on the development of the backline given his status and someone who has just finished playing football.

Your post doesn't make sense.

The point I'm trying to make should be pretty clear, Steve. You don't have to be a great player to be a great coach or communicator. We've seen this proved for us on multiple occasions. The fact that Chaplin, Enright or Egan aren't in the role of Senior Coach is irrelevant. The point you made was that Chaplin didn't appeal to you as a coach (you didn't specify senior coach or otherwise) because he wasn't a great player.

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by A F

30 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

They went when Macca did, as did Cam Mooney. 

Corey is still there.  Google it!

30 minutes ago, leehow said:

I'm not sure why you equate being a good player, with being a good coach. So many very succesful coaches throughout the world have been average players.

Egan is 'head of development'. Chaplin is 'offensive coordinator'.

How is it that you lot continue to miss the fact that within clubs there are senior and assistant coaches, line coaches, development coaches and supporting roles.

"General manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said Chaplin’s freshness out of the game was a pivotal part to his appointment."

Yes, if he was appointed senior coach of our club straight after finishing football it'd be an eyebrow raiser. No [censored].

I think it's funny the impact posters seem to think these kinds of appointments have on determining how our group will 'perform' in the grand scheme of things.

They are there to give insight, help develop players, propose ideas etc etc.

They are not given the reigns on gameday and decide who is playing where and on who etc. 

 

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by stevethemanjordan

34 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Has there been any player more respected in recent times than Corey Enright? Honest question, I'd be interested to hear nominations.

Imagine a young player who is going 'ok' but currently on the fringe, battling for a spot amongst a large group of HBF/midfielders on Melbourne's list, and questioning whether they are going to make it as an AFL player.

Once a week Corey Enright, the triple-premiership player Geelong rated above Ablett, takes you aside for an intensive 1-1 training session and a chat about your most recent game over coffee.

 

 

"Nar, we dono if he can coach but!"

Edited October 13, 20168 yr by stevethemanjordan

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

"Nar, we dono if he can coach but!"

Who's said we don't know if Enright can coach or not? Posters have only pointed out the fallacy of your argument RE: great players make great coaches.

For the record, I'd welcome Enright with open arms as an assistant coach.

Enright is an absolute gun and in the best 10 backmen I have seen. But that does not immediately transfer over to coaching. We hear a lot about the natural influence/coaching attitude of people like Stevie Johnson and Sam Mitchell but I have not heard this talk at all, ever, about Enright. 

But we have more coaches than a Bendigo to Melbourne VLine train advertising free beer. Enough already.