Who are the Dees chasing for 2017 and at what cost?

[ArtificialWisdom 3,863]

10 hours ago, faultydet said:

Braysure, I could not give the slightest fig what your think of me as a human. The same as the convicted drug cheating scum club at essedon doesn't care what the footy world thinks of them, even after they were called out as filthy low life drug cheats.

 

The woe-is-me attitude of essedon sympahisers makes me want to spew. Don't ask the rest of us to feel down, when you are caught out with your hand in the cookie jar.

Melksham is a convicted drug cheat.

Hibberd is a convicted drug cheat.

 

Lets see you argue around those points of fact. Give it your best shot pal.

I dont think there is many of us, if any who sympathise with "Essendon" the club itself. They are guilty and I still believe the club was never adequately punished. Robbing them of their Nr 1 pick this year would probably do it but the AFL doesnt have the balls because it would require them admitting to getting their original decision wrong. That said, I do sympathise with the players as individuals, convicted or not they were still just pawns in the clubs greedy game. 

[faultydet 7,593]

9 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

I dont think there is many of us, if any who sympathise with "Essendon" the club itself. They are guilty and I still believe the club was never adequately punished. Robbing them of their Nr 1 pick this year would probably do it but the AFL doesnt have the balls because it would require them admitting to getting their original decision wrong. That said, I do sympathise with the players as individuals, convicted or not they were still just pawns in the clubs greedy game. 

I believe they knew exactly what they were being stuck with, and were complicit.

Too lazy or stupid to check with ASADA, or they simply wanted to cheat. I lean towards the first, as from Danks own interview, it really did look like he thought the stuff was legal.

[Willmoy1947 3,780]

Just in regard to Melksham. We go through life making mistakes. I hope that Melksham by his decision to change his club sees the way ahead as something that he can do

to make a new start for himself and his family. I wish him good luck in his rehabilitation as I would anyone else who takes this path.

[stuie 7,374]

Reasonably reasonable offseason scenario for mine...

Delist/FA:

Terlich, Grimes, Pedersen, Newton.

White, King, Michie (rookies)

 

Trades:

Future 1st round pick and ANB for O'Meara.

Dunn for 3rd round pick.

2nd round pick for Hibberd.

If TMac DOES want out to Sydney then: TMac to Sydney, Mitchell to Essendon, Hurley to Dees.

 

Draft:

Outside mids, ruckman, defenders (in that order)

 

Rookie:

Ruck/fwd, small forward, key defender

Re-rookie Trengove, upgrade Wagner

 

 

 

[faultydet 7,593]

26 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Just in regard to Melksham. We go through life making mistakes. I hope that Melksham by his decision to change his club sees the way ahead as something that he can do

to make a new start for himself and his family. I wish him good luck in his rehabilitation as I would anyone else who takes this path.

Nice words, but it was more likely the length and extra income from our contract offer that persuaded him to come across. I very much doubt it's a soul cleansing issue.

[faultydet 7,593]

16 minutes ago, stuie said:

Reasonably reasonable offseason scenario for mine...

Delist/FA:

Terlich, Grimes, Pedersen, Newton.

White, King, Michie (rookies)

 

Trades:

Future 1st round pick and ANB for O'Meara.

Dunn for 3rd round pick.

2nd round pick for Hibberd.

If TMac DOES want out to Sydney then: TMac to Sydney, Mitchell to Essendon, Hurley to Dees.

 

Draft:

Outside mids, ruckman, defenders (in that order)

 

Rookie:

Ruck/fwd, small forward, key defender

Re-rookie Trengove, upgrade Wagner

 

 

 

If that scenario played out Stu, we would end up with 2 x 3rd round picks, and a 4th round.  Would probably be limited to quite speculative types at those picks.

Not sure anyone would pay a 3rd round for Dunn.

[PaulRB 5,960]

13 hours ago, braysure said:

An Essendon fan also close to the club posted this on twitter. The 'Geoff Hibberd' account has been verified and confirmed it is Michael Hibberd's dad. Since then the comment has been taken down. Interesting.

Even if true, not overly conclusive of Hibberd's intention. We're assuming that Hibberd is keeping his dad up to date on his career thoughts and decisions while overseas... he may not, I probably wouldn't until I'd made a clear decision... 

[stuie 7,374]

6 minutes ago, faultydet said:

If that scenario played out Stu, we would end up with 2 x 3rd round picks, and a 4th round.  Would probably be limited to quite speculative types at those picks.

Not sure anyone would pay a 3rd round for Dunn.

Taylor has done a pretty good job for us with late picks though don't you think?

You could be right about Dunn, but remember, this year a 3rd round pick could be somewhere around pick 60 given the GC and GWS picks.

 

[faultydet 7,593]

Just now, stuie said:

Taylor has done a pretty good job for us with late picks though don't you think?

You could be right about Dunn, but remember, this year a 3rd round pick could be somewhere around pick 60 given the GC and GWS picks.

 

I agree Taylor has done a great job with late picks, but the odds will surely catch up eventually.

We are at a point where we need high quality free agents to come over. Our days of early draft picks are over. We are clearly satisfied with the young talent on the list and age profile for the future, but with no early picks to get the best youth, or to trade out, we really need some stars to migrate to us to put our list into premiership mode.

[stuie 7,374]

7 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I agree Taylor has done a great job with late picks, but the odds will surely catch up eventually.

We are at a point where we need high quality free agents to come over. Our days of early draft picks are over. We are clearly satisfied with the young talent on the list and age profile for the future, but with no early picks to get the best youth, or to trade out, we really need some stars to migrate to us to put our list into premiership mode.

I just don't see any high quality free agents that would suit our age requirements available this year. I agree about the young talent, which is why in my scenario I'm not worried about trading high picks.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

Hibberd has no intention of leaving The Drug Den if his fathers remark is to be believed

Tread Carefully Demons. We want players with attitude who will go over the pain barrier needed

i don't trust any of the 34 to do that. 

Damaged Goods

[Willmoy1947 3,780]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Hibberd has no intention of leaving The Drug Den if his fathers remark is to be believed

Tread Carefully Demons. We want players with attitude who will go over the pain barrier needed

i don't trust any of the 34 to do that. 

Damaged Goods

"Good cop bad cop" aside, Melksham has come here and has been accepted. He is not talking in a vacuum to nobody (that's Irish) and I bet I know who he is talking to amongst others. If he is legit he has a solid close friend group who will respect his opinion, I will leave it there.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

3 minutes ago, willmoy said:

"Good cop bad cop" aside, Melksham has come here and has been accepted. He is not talking in a vacuum to nobody (that's Irish) and I bet I know who he is talking to amongst others. If he is legit he has a solid close friend group who will respect his opinion, I will leave it there.

 

Certainly been a fantastic recruit so far. 

We have got so much out of the trade....

[faultydet 7,593]

24 minutes ago, willmoy said:

"Good cop bad cop" aside, Melksham has come here and has been accepted. He is not talking in a vacuum to nobody (that's Irish) and I bet I know who he is talking to amongst others. If he is legit he has a solid close friend group who will respect his opinion, I will leave it there.

 

I have no idea what this post means. 

[PaulRB 5,960]

19 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Certainly been a fantastic recruit so far. 

We have got so much out of the trade....

We've got a fresh, mature, talented player dropping into our best 22 next year, who is an aggressive rebounding half back with a good boot.

redundant sarcasm aside, whats your point?

[Nascent 7,288]

If Hibberd falls through perhaps Suban would be another target for that half back flank spot... Another strong left footer with 144 games experience and a few years younger. I'd be interested depending on the cost.

 

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-03/fremantles-nick-suban-emerges-as-likely-trade-target-for-victorian-clubs

[Willmoy1947 3,780]

41 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Certainly been a fantastic recruit so far. 

We have got so much out of the trade....

I reckon too early to judge yet, give him a bloody go....

[Willmoy1947 3,780]

21 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I have no idea what this post means. 

It means some people say things to push one way, some people say things to push another way, which can get the result they both want. Like cops.

Now, he has friends who respect his opinion. This might help swing opinions,. In turn help us with recruiting who we want.

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

23 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

We've got a fresh, mature, talented player dropping into our best 22 next year, who is an aggressive rebounding half back with a good boot.

redundant sarcasm aside, whats your point?

My point is that we were a man down in the backline all this year. May have cost us a finals spot. 

We have no idea how "fresh" in the mind Melksham is...it is a massive gamble considering the whole saga is yet to be fully resolved. 

And now we are chasing another one...

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

My point is that we were a man down in the backline all this year. May have cost us a finals spot.

This is crazy even by your standards.

 

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

There was a rumor floating around and I heard it again on SEN a week or so ago. Not sure if it was Maxwell, Mooney or someone else said Devon Smith wanted to return to VIC. Now that is a player worth looking at

 

PS - I know it's all just a rumor

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

This is crazy even by your standards.

 

Only in your small mind Stuie. 

You and i have actually agreed that the backline has leaked heavily this year..

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Only in your small mind Stuie. 

You and i have actually agreed that the backline has leaked heavily this year..

It has. But I don't think Melksham alone is the missing piece to finals.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,529]

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

It has. But I don't think Melksham alone is the missing piece to finals.

 

Well he is a big enough reason to target as far as the club is concerned. 

I don't want any of these 34 players in my side. It stinks. But it's not my call i have to wear it. 

But to pay "overs" Wow that hurts. 

These players should have been made free. CAS found them guilty. Not the AFL but CAS. 

And we are pushing for a 2nd who sounds like he is not really that interested....

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well he is a big enough reason to target as far as the club is concerned. 

I don't want any of these 34 players in my side. It stinks. But it's not my call i have to wear it. 

But to pay "overs" Wow that hurts. 

These players should have been made free. CAS found them guilty. Not the AFL but CAS. 

And we are pushing for a 2nd who sounds like he is not really that interested....

Yeah I know, you've posted that almost as much as your Schwab rants.

Get over it.

And you know Hibberd personally? How would you have any clue whatsoever about how interested he is?

Ridiculous as always.

Rant away now to yourself.