The election

[nutbean 8,838]

This election is such a snooze fest that not one of the more politically minded demonlanders can be bothered opening thread to discuss it. 

Can Australian Politics have any less care factor ?.

 

 

[daisycutter 29,740]

bad move nut 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

6 hours ago, nutbean said:

This election is such a snooze fest that not one of the more politically minded demonlanders can be bothered opening thread to discuss it. 

Can Australian Politics have any less care factor ?.

 

 

 

 

It was much better when Abbott had a clear agenda. Love it or hate it.

The left had something to hate (and rally against) and the silent majority had something to vote for.

[nutbean 8,838]

On 5/17/2016 at 11:41 AM, daisycutter said:

bad move nut 

[daisycutter 29,740]

1 hour ago, nutbean said:

i can't even raise one iota of interest......seriously

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Feeney star whitness for Gillard in her housing scandal just happens to have bought his Seddon property of Kathy Jackson queen of corrupt unions fame.

Feeney also forgot to disclose his $2.3m house it Northcote (his electorate) because he wasn't livining in it. Also forgot to disclose his wifes house he stays at in Canberra.

Conroy has had his offices raided by the federal police.

The Victorian federal labor lot are on the nose.

[H_T 3,049]

Sorry nut. But...

 

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

America is worse. Watching CNN in hotel rooms this year is pure horror show!!

[nutbean 8,838]

On 5/27/2016 at 11:03 AM, Sir Why You Little said:

America is worse. Watching CNN in hotel rooms this year is pure horror show!!

If it was just contained to America it would then make amusing television.

Unfortunately it does have global impact and scary global impact at that.

When you read a headline such as    North Korea State Media Praises Donald Trump as a 'Wise Politician' " then be afraid - be very afraid           

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

Get Drunk and dance with Girls Nut!

[hardtack 10,627]

My band is playing on the afternoon of the election (poster below) The bar is owned by friends of Albanese and is in his electorate of Grayndler... be nice if he popped in for a tipple - regardless of your politics, he's a nice guy.

Edited June 1, 2016 by hardtack

[nutbean 8,838]

21 minutes ago, hardtack said:

My band is playing on the afternoon of the election (poster below) The bar is owned by friends of Albanese and is in his electorate of Grayndler... be nice if he popped in for a tipple - regardless of your politics, he's a nice guy.

When are Los Romeos Oxidados coming to the music capital of the world (that would be Melbourne) ?

[hardtack 10,627]

1 minute ago, nutbean said:

When are Los Romeos Oxidados coming to the music capital of the world (that would be Melbourne) ?

One of these days, if we can find anyone willing to have us desecrate their venue and when we can find a convenient way of getting all seven of us down there.

[Grapeviney 9,801]

On 17 May 2016 at 2:16 PM, Wrecker45 said:

It was much better when Abbott had a clear agenda. 

Agenda? What agenda? 

Abbott had a bit of scrap paper with 11 words on it: 'stop the boats, scrap the mining tax, scrap the carbon tax.'

Yes he achieved those things, but only one of them - the boats - was a real accomplishment. The other two required nothing more than legislation in Parliament; hardly enough to base a term of Government on. 

Abbott had no reform agenda, no economic narrative (well not one that was coherent or consistent) and no plan for the country and the future. 

Big business knew it, the conservative commentators of the Murdoch press knew it, and his party knew it. 

Together with his flawed judgment and unwillingness to take counsel from anyone other than his chief-of-staff, it was a major reason why he was removed.

Time to face facts, Wrecker; Abbott was a dud, just like the two who preceded him. 

[MadAsHell 4,215]

http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/paul-keating-launches-withering-attack-on-pathetic-greens-20160625-gprqr1.html

Now here's a politician who can still deliver a sledge!

Slim pickings on Saturday, the extremely disapointing Turnbull and his conservative out of touch Liberals or the far from promising Shorten and his questionable/factional  Labor caucus.

Makes the vote in the Senate count more then ever one feels.

Edited June 29, 2016 by AngryAtCasey

[nutbean 8,838]

sooooo.. 9 weeks later and 15 posts and the OP still rings true.

We have a choice between a giant doushe ( spelling mistake intended)  and a turd sandwich

Edited June 29, 2016 by nutbean

[MadAsHell 4,215]

2 hours ago, nutbean said:

sooooo.. 9 weeks later and 15 posts and the OP still rings true.

We have a choice between a giant doushe ( spelling mistake intended)  and a turd sandwich

Question is which one's which?

Reckon Turnbull's the doushe & Shorten the turd sandwich. 

Edited June 29, 2016 by AngryAtCasey

[Earl Hood 6,101]

3 hours ago, nutbean said:

sooooo.. 9 weeks later and 15 posts and the OP still rings true.

We have a choice between a giant doushe ( spelling mistake intended)  and a turd sandwich

So NB do you have one, two or more alternatives? When you need 50.1% of the vote but about 20% of voters are swingers and many of them are the least knowledgable of politics, public affairs and dare I say about anything much to do about society outside their personal worlds, well it is all going to get pretty banal, with zero risk policies. And it gets worse because it is largely about the least sophisticated voters  in a handful of marginals. We may be talking about a few hundred thousand people in a close election. And most elections are close because both major parties are tracking each other, policy for policy. 

It is all about not making a big mistake, and alienating somevoters in a marginal seat. 

 A lot about positive spending promises and no tough saving decisions. That said I don't believe we need too many harsh saving decisions, we just need to get companies and people paying their fair share of tax, get rid of some the tax shelters and give aways to industries (e.g. the diesel rebate to miners) and the budget will come back into balance. And we won't all be rooned! 

Edited June 29, 2016 by Earl Hood

[Earl Hood 6,101]

Gee as of 8.20 p.m. Tonight, the election has finally got interesting! 

[Dante 2,739]

 

Probable Labor win, confirming Turnbull has the worst political judgement ever.

 

Turnbull/Shorten, Trump/Clinton, what's the World coming too.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2016 by Dante

[Macca 17,034]

Might be a hung parliament ... either party needs 76 seats but with the speaker taking up one spot, 77 seats may be required to provide a real majority.

The numbers from the ABC coverage are way different to the numbers shown from ch7 & ch9 (who both have it virtually level with about 28 seats undecided)

 

 

Edit:  At midnight the count was (according to ch9 & ch7) ... Coalition 68,  ALP 65,  Others 5,  with 12 seats undecided. 

The ABC had the count at ... Coalition 72,  ALP 66,  Others 5 with 7 seats undecided. 

So, with either set of numbers, the Coalition will need to win a majority of the undecided seats in order to form a government with a clear majority (8 of the 12 undecided seats will be required with regards to both the commercial network's numbers)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited July 2, 2016 by Macca

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

If it wasn't for Andrews' and his monumental brain-fade, ALP might have very well been elected last night.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall, when Shorten has a word to him!!!

[hardtack 10,627]

More interesting now...with 77.8% of the vote counted, according the the ABC website, Other 5, Libs 65, Lab 67 and Undecided 13 (that was just a few minutes ago).

I'm thinking a hung parliament is the most likely outcome...but does that mean we may see another election? The Libs have already started the blame game and their #1 spokesperson Bolt is calling for Turnbull's head...hard to see how they could manage to run the country while they are in this state.

[Macca 17,034]

It's more likely than not that the Coalition will win more seats than the ALP but either party being able to win at least 76 seats might be a bridge too far ... it could be assumed that the ALP would need to do better than expected with regards to postal votes in order to win more seats than the Coalition. 

With the Coalition needing to win a large majority of the undecided seats (11 of 13?) we're probably heading for a hung parliament or a minority govenment.  The Coalition could win 8, 9 or 10 of those undecided seats though.  With 5 of the seats being claimed by the 'other' parties, we can't have a tie (unless one of the seats ends up in a tie - the final twist?)

One thing is for sure ... neither party can claim any sort of mandate so we're likely to see all sorts of legislation being either watered down or rejected in either house (if we end up with a minority government) 

The state of the senate has the potential for far more volatility.  Neither party is likely to have any more than 29 seats out of the 76 senate seats up for grabs.  Added to that we now have Hinch (probably) and Hanson in the senate to spice things up.

From news.com ...

Federal Election 2016: Vote counting has stopped, so what happens now? A hung parliament explained.

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Should the Coalition get 74 or 75 seats it doesn’t necessarily have to enter a formal agreement.  “I’m sure there won’t be a deal in the formal sense that we saw in 2010,” said Clement Macintyre, politics professor at the University of Adelaide, who says the Coalition will have seen what happened to Labor the last time around.

“A smart government would not enter into a formal agreement, but simply say, we’re the largest party.  The Coalition will be seeking allies for its legislative agenda.”

And from 'The Age' ...

What to expect from a hung parliament in Australian federal election

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There are various ways to resolve a hung Parliament, but the most common at the state level and the solution in 2010 was for one side to strike a deal with minor parties and independents for a basic degree of ongoing support.

But the minor parties and independents need not back every piece of legislation the minority government introduces, making it a difficult and unstable way of governing.  Making the situation tricky, both sides have ruled out doing a deal with the Greens.

 

 

Edited July 3, 2016 by Macca

[MadAsHell 4,215]

Looking at the AEC website, my tip is each party will claim 72 seats, Xenophon 2, Greens, Katter, Wilkie & McGowan taking the rest.

Means Turnbull would need to get Katter, McGowan and the Xenophon team on board to claim minority government as they'd have no chance of finding common ground with Wilkie or the Greens. Labor may have more chance as Katter is the only one you'd think they have no chance of talking around. There's every chance we could be sent back to the polls!

Shocking result for Turnbull. Even if they managed to get to 75 seats themselves (unlikely) it is the most seats a first term government has lost at their next election in Australian history. Would have been even worse if Abbott were still at the helm one thinks.