Discussion on Non MFC matters - 2016

[whatwhat say what 19,078]

Seems like there's a lot of great discussion happening around richmond on another thread, but i reckon we should create a new thread specifically to discuss other clubs. maybe something the mods can pin?

Let me start with this little tidbit about the filth - adam treloar has either done a hamstring or copped a knee knack this morning at a pies' intra-club. No idea of how serious or not it is at this stage.

[ManDee 7,089]

2 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

Seems like there's a lot of great discussion happening around richmond on another thread, but i reckon we should create a new thread specifically to discuss other clubs. maybe something the mods can pin?

Let me start with this little tidbit about the filth - adam treloar has either done a hamstring or copped a knee knack this morning at a pies' intra-club. No idea of how serious or not it is at this stage.

I copped a knee to the knacks, no fun believe me.

[whatwhat say what 19,078]

yeah, looks like the twitterati might've massively overreacted too.

[Binmans PA 26,223]

Okay, how about I pose this. Name five teams that will be vying for the flag in three years and what likelihood do we have of competing with them?

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I hate to say it but the pies look like they're going to be good. QB will be a barnburner this year

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,941]

Treloar cleared of injury.

[Skuit 9,186]

1 hour ago, AdamFarr said:

Okay, how about I pose this. Name five teams that will be vying for the flag in three years and what likelihood do we have of competing with them?

GWS, Bulldogs, Collingwood, Sydney and the mighty MFC. We'll be right among it.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I just want the Hawks to completely capitulate

[Ted Lasso 16,821]

I am really interested to see two things this year, 

1. how much game day control Goodwin seems to have, and how his game plan translates in terms of our win loss and overall performance 

2. if as i suspect the interchange cap only further widens the gap between the top, middle and bottom teams, i can't see teams like Carlton having the legs to compete with many teams this year.

[Binmans PA 26,223]

6 hours ago, Skuit said:

GWS, Bulldogs, Collingwood, Sydney and the mighty MFC. We'll be right among it.

Where do GCS sit? I guess we're all expecting them to lose more players, in which case they might be in trouble.

I don't see Sydney, but I'd agree with the rest.

Funnily, I can see SOS f-ing up Carlton's picks too. I think they're gonna be in for Melbourne-like ineptness for a few more years. The bloke had so many picks to deal with at GWS and his strike rate isn't too flash. He's now got less room for mistake.

[Skuit 9,186]

28 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

Where do GCS sit? I guess we're all expecting them to lose more players, in which case they might be in trouble.

I don't see Sydney, but I'd agree with the rest.

Funnily, I can see SOS f-ing up Carlton's picks too. I think they're gonna be in for Melbourne-like ineptness for a few more years. The bloke had so many picks to deal with at GWS and his strike rate isn't too flash. He's now got less room for mistake.

The expectation that GCS lose players is too strong to confidently pick them for near future success. They should get decent returns on losses but it delays their progress.

The first three and the MFC was just my opinion on young talent and development cycles. I don't think anyone else sits in this bracket (some may argue the Saints but I don't see it and their top end will be out the door in one clump).

So the last spot excluded those teams that I don't think will quite make it with their reasonably progressed development (Port Rich Adel etc) and looked at the current top teams with the greatest mix of young talent and the potential to top-up with astute list management. I wouldn't exclude say Geelong or the Hawks in this regard - but the timing of the three year projection left Sydney best placed in my mind (i.e. it might be right around the time the Hawks are in transition).

SOS is hard to call for me. The twisted nature of the 2011 draft brings to the fore questions regarding development v talent. But I'm pretty he'll sure screw Carlton as well. And I absolutely see the parallels to Melbourne. Picking randomly rather than to a carefully considered model over several years.

Who would you have as your five contenders circa '18-19?

 

Edited March 18, 2016 by Skuit

[Binmans PA 26,223]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

The expectation that GCS lose players is too strong to confidently pick them for near future success. They should get decent returns on losses but it delays their progress.

The first three and the MFC was just my opinion on young talent and development cycles. I don't think anyone else sits in this bracket (some may argue the Saints but I don't see it and their top end will be out the door in one clump).

So the last spot excluded those teams that I don't think will quite make it with their reasonably progressed development (Port Rich Adel etc) and looked at the current top teams with the greatest mix of young talent and the potential to top-up with astute list management. I wouldn't exclude say Geelong or the Hawks in this regard - but the timing of the three year projection left Sydney best placed in my mind (i.e. it might be right around the time the Hawks are in transition).

SOS is hard to call for me. The twisted nature of the 2011 draft brings to the fore questions regarding development v talent. But I'm pretty he'll sure screw Carlton as well. And I absolutely see the parallels to Melbourne. Picking randomly rather than to a carefully considered model over several years.

Who would you have as your five contenders circa '18-19?

Well, I think you're right in regards to GWS and the Bulldogs. I'd have us in there as well. The other two are harder to pick. I don't rate Collingwood to the same level in terms of top elite junior talent, but Treloar certainly helps their case, but I don't see the midfield depth that we'll possess. I reckon despite being crippled by more walk outs come the end of 2016, GCS will be in the mix. The AFL will want to ensure the GCS are highly competitive by that time. So I'll say the fifth team will be a team from the West, most likely West Coast. I wonder where Brisbane will land too. 

[Skuit 9,186]

GWS and the Dogs have stunning lists. I may be biased towards ours (but I think it's just as impressive although a smidge behind in development) and I may also be a bit blinded by living with a Filth supporter - but they have a different spread to the others and will have a very solid midfield and backbone in the coming years. Brisbane a year or so behind us in development and so far less certain if it will click or come to fruition. The Suns. . . I seriously think they'll be starting again next year and there won't be much the AFL can do to boost them up in the short-term. West Coast I believe will need very good continued management and coaching to overcome an aging top-end.

 

[The Great Pretender 430]

Interesting that the AFL chose to have no football coinciding with the F1 Grand Prix while the eyes of the sporting world are firmly fixed on Melbourne.

Why not a Friday or a Saturday night game during the F1 while so many international sporting personalities, media etc are right here in town.

[Skuit 9,186]

1 hour ago, The Great Pretender said:

Interesting that the AFL chose to have no football coinciding with the F1 Grand Prix while the eyes of the sporting world are firmly fixed on Melbourne.

Why not a Friday or a Saturday night game during the F1 while so many international sporting personalities, media etc are right here in town.

Good question.But probably answers itself. Eyes fixed.

[Lucifers Hero 37,123]

A fascinating look behind the scenes as to how 'Kochie' turned Port Adelaid around:  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/david-kochie-saved-afls-port-adelaide-from-death/news-story/92a57f9af603113e6696459f4eb956d8  For those who can't get behind the pay wall, key points are:

-When Port Adelaide tragic David Koch agreed to become the chairman of his beloved footy club in 2012, he had no idea AFL chiefs had crisis contingency plans to kill off the 146-year-old institution.

-In a bid to lift the club’s profile, broaden its skill set and attract the attention of an east-coast audience, Koch began reshaping the board by appointing a Melbourne-based director, Cos Cardone, chief executive of McGuire Media, the production firm operated by ­Collingwood president and AFL powerbroker Eddie McGuire.

-Koch also wooed another new director by recruiting Amanda Vanstone, former senator for South Australia and ambassador to Italy, and a former member of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

-With Cardone’s help, Koch set about engaging “Port Adelaide business expats” in Sydney and Melbourne to develop an “eastern advisory board” of “like-minded mad passionate supporters” with high-level connections, commercial skills and media savvy to endorse the club’s new credentials.

-On the field, the boardroom revolution was mirrored by a clean-out of backroom staff capped off by three key hires: senior coach Ken Hinkley, director of coaching and strategy Alan Richardson, and former Liverpool Football Club high performance coach Darren Burgess.

-“When we first started planning the Adelaide Oval, I said to everyone ‘Let’s look at the best marketing organisation in history: the church’,’’ Koch said...“When people go to church, they feel part of a congregation. They feel special. They have rituals; when the fans sing (INXS’) Never Tear Us Apart, it’s spine-­tingling stuff.”

-After returning the club to profit, Koch is now determined to reduce a $6.675m debt partly by ramping up a “China strategy”. He expects to tap into one of the world’s richest economies for sponsorship deals and to take ­official AFL games, at least pre-season matches, to China.

Haven't heard anything in recent times of MFC wanting to play in China - we have had bigger fish to fry in our own back yard, I guess.  It may be a race between Port and MFC as to which club is more successful at tapping the sponsorship market from China and playing games in China.  'Kochie' seems to have some grand plans afoot and as a club they are a few years ahead of us. 

Maybe the market is big enough for two!  Maybe the China games can be an annual Power vs Dees?  After all they need two teams.  However, I fear the presence of Eddie's media coy CEO on the Port Board will ensure Collingwood get first dibs.  They always do...sigh...

Edited March 20, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[whatwhat say what 19,078]

Port Adelaide renaissance is heartening to see. Adelaide Oval and the general sentiment played a big part in that too.

 

Of the q of which four teams, other than ours, that I see up and about in three seasons time:

 

- GWS: list depth is so strong already, and each year they trade out varying degrees of quality and bring in youth with potential 

- Footscray: whilst they have a lot of elder statesmen who are important (Boyd, Murphy, etc) their quality of youth with the likes of Liberatore, Wallis, Macrae Bontempelli and Stringer is all class

- Port Adelaide: the likes of Boak, Gray x2, Hartlett etc are still relatively young, and they keep bringing in complementary players 'for the now' like Polec, Ryder, and Dixon...potentially the Toump too if he can return to his underage level at AFL level

- Cats / filth: can't separate these two sides, both are building sides for this exact time period to complement their established players

[Skuit 9,186]

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A fascinating look behind the scenes as to how 'Kochie' turned Port Adelaid around:  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/david-kochie-saved-afls-port-adelaide-from-death/news-story/92a57f9af603113e6696459f4eb956d8  For those who can't get behind the pay wall, key points are:

-When Port Adelaide tragic David Koch agreed to become the chairman of his beloved footy club in 2012, he had no idea AFL chiefs had crisis contingency plans to kill off the 146-year-old institution.

 

The AFL was going to kill off the Magpies? Seems a little spiteful. But in all seriousness, is there any more said on this? Was this something that was previously in the media that I had missed or is it a new revelation?

[Lucifers Hero 37,123]

3 minutes ago, Skuit said:

The AFL was going to kill off the Magpies? Seems a little spiteful. But in all seriousness, is there any more said on this? Was this something that was previously in the media that I had missed or is it a new revelation?

Its a new revelation!  Apparently, AFL Chairman, Fitzpatrick told it to Kochie about 3 months ago.  The AFL was looking at putting a team in the NT instead of 2 in SA.

[Skuit 9,186]

Wow. That's huge.