Just now, rjay said:

'stuie', you're one for the facts so how about you tell us the full story here. There are more than a couple of men and kids that have been killed by females this year. I saw a post this morning and the figures were quite surprising, I don't know if they are real so I won't post.

What I do know is that violence is a big issue and getting bigger, I also know it's not gender specific despite what the media and politician bandwagoners would have us believe.

Yeah I hear you, and let me be clear, in no way am I saying that doesn't happen or isn't a problem also. Just saying that the weight of numbers is hugely one sided, so let's deal with the biggest problem first. Labeling those doing what they can to combat violence against women as "bandwagoners" is a bit average though I would think.

But for the sake of factual information, here is some from a reputable source rather than a "post" somewhere...

"The police data reaffirms that women are overwhelmingly the victims of family and domestic violence. When it comes to assaults in family and domestic violence, the ABS reports there are:

• Four times as many female victims (4,534) as male victims (1,157) in South Australia;
• Four times as many female victims (3,482) as male victims (807) in the Northern Territory;
• Three times as many female victims (10,648) as male victims (3,860) in Western Australia;
• Three times as many female victims (465) as male victims (145) in Australian Capital Territory; and
• Twice as many female victims (19,488) as male victims (9,261) in New South Wales.

That the ratio of female to male victims is only two to one in NSW might be surprising at first glance. But of those 9,261 male victims of assault, only 3,305 incidents involved a partner or an ex."

Link Here

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yeah I hear you, and let me be clear, in no way am I saying that doesn't happen or isn't a problem also. Just saying that the weight of numbers is hugely one sided, so let's deal with the biggest problem first. Labeling those doing what they can to combat violence against women as "bandwagoners" is a bit average though I would think.

'stuie', I think some politicians have good intentions and others really are more interested in getting re elected. This has become a popular cause in recent times and many are jumping on the bandwagon.

The biggest problem is violence full stop, it's not about one side or the other.

1 minute ago, stuie said:

But for the sake of factual information, here is some from a reputable source rather than a "post" somewhere...

"The police data reaffirms that women are overwhelmingly the victims of family and domestic violence. When it comes to assaults in family and domestic violence, the ABS reports there are:

• Four times as many female victims (4,534) as male victims (1,157) in South Australia;
• Four times as many female victims (3,482) as male victims (807) in the Northern Territory;
• Three times as many female victims (10,648) as male victims (3,860) in Western Australia;
• Three times as many female victims (465) as male victims (145) in Australian Capital Territory; and
• Twice as many female victims (19,488) as male victims (9,261) in New South Wales.

That the ratio of female to male victims is only two to one in NSW might be surprising at first glance. But of those 9,261 male victims of assault, only 3,305 incidents involved a partner or an ex."

Link Here

The weight of numbers for deaths (what you were quoting originally) is actually not so hugely one sided and many male victims of violence don't report it.

2 hours ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

A friend of mine knows the owners of the bar, which is actually a japanese restaurant/bar thing. 

The female involved did far more to provoke the situation then the media reported, much more. 

Had a very "hot", running mouth and works in the media and sprouted so, whilst insulting Dusty for the form he was in as soon as he entered the building basically, which led to what he did. Still, all that aside, his "chopstick reaction" was not warranted and deserves to be punished.

Have it on very good authority that he is part owner of the bar/restaurant which might contribute to this biased comment.  No matter how 'hot' her running mouth was ......his behaviour on all levels was totally unacceptable regardless of gender.  Also being in the media I seriously doubt she would deliberately inflame the situation......she could have just merely videoed it on her phone & sent it round media outlets if she wanted to cause trouble.  

Just now, rjay said:

'stuie', I think some politicians have good intentions and others really are more interested in getting re elected. This has become a popular cause in recent times and many are jumping on the bandwagon.

The biggest problem is violence full stop, it's not about one side or the other.

The weight of numbers for deaths (what you were quoting originally) is actually not so hugely one sided and many male victims of violence don't report it.

Sooooo many male murder victims don't report their murders? And if you're talking about violence rather than murder, do you really think women report every single incident? You seemingly have no comprehension of this topic at all.

And seriously, to dismiss this as a trend or a re-election strategy is absolute naive rubbish. More than one woman is killed every week due to family violence. How do you not think this is a genuine issue? Get your head out of the 60s.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

Have it on very good authority that he is part owner of the bar/restaurant which might contribute to this biased comment.  No matter how 'hot' her running mouth was ......his behaviour on all levels was totally unacceptable regardless of gender.  Also being in the media I seriously doubt she would deliberately inflame the situation......she could have just merely videoed it on her phone & sent it round media outlets if she wanted to cause trouble.  

 

thanks for reiterating my point.

Just now, stuie said:

Sooooo many male murder victims don't report their murders? And if you're talking about violence rather than murder, do you really think women report every single incident? You seemingly have no comprehension of this topic at all.

And seriously, to dismiss this as a trend or a re-election strategy is absolute naive rubbish. More than one woman is killed every week due to family violence. How do you not think this is a genuine issue? Get your head out of the 60s.

 

 

'stuie'...you well know I was not talking about the reporting of murders.

Of course violence is a genuine issue, I'm not saying it isn't. What I am saying is that the whole issue needs to be addressed, not part of it...

It seems you like many do not want to have a discussion that needs to be had on violence in society and instead want to resort to bullying and name calling.

Wanting a genuine discussion has nothing to do with head in or out of the 60's

Now 'SWYL', I think I might join you and bow out of this discussion....

1 minute ago, rjay said:

'stuie'...you well know I was not talking about the reporting of murders.

Of course violence is a genuine issue, I'm not saying it isn't. What I am saying is that the whole issue needs to be addressed, not part of it...

It seems you like many do not want to have a discussion that needs to be had on violence in society and instead want to resort to bullying and name calling.

Wanting a genuine discussion has nothing to do with head in or out of the 60's

Now 'SWYL', I think I might join you and bow out of this discussion....

So you're still dismissing violence against women as an issue in it's own right?

63 women (and counting) have died in Australia due to family violence this year. 63. How many more have to die before you decide it's a problem?

3 minutes ago, rjay said:

'stuie'...you well know I was not talking about the reporting of murders.

Of course violence is a genuine issue, I'm not saying it isn't. What I am saying is that the whole issue needs to be addressed, not part of it...

It seems you like many do not want to have a discussion that needs to be had on violence in society and instead want to resort to bullying and name calling.

Wanting a genuine discussion has nothing to do with head in or out of the 60's

Now 'SWYL', I think I might join you and bow out of this discussion....

Me three. Usual crew have taken things and twisted to suit their own ideas/arguments, ruining another thread.

Catch ya.

51 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

Have it on very good authority that he is part owner of the bar/restaurant which might contribute to this biased comment.  No matter how 'hot' her running mouth was ......his behaviour on all levels was totally unacceptable regardless of gender.  Also being in the media I seriously doubt she would deliberately inflame the situation......she could have just merely videoed it on her phone & sent it round media outlets if she wanted to cause trouble.  

That is a very good point.  Caro's says in this article: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html the woman did not want to go public because of Martin's 'connections' and she 'feared for her safety'. 

The whole situation is more complicated than we think.

Edited December 8, 20159 yr by Lucifer's Hero

9 minutes ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

 

thanks for reiterating my point.

He actually totally destroyed your point and your credibility.

Now i am onto the Pizza Shapes...

I wouldn't want to take it further either. Bikies don't play, I wouldn't want the stress either. Dusty is practically untouchable. It just is what it is.

Should get a 6 month ban just for going to Stereosonic.

Stuie, lately you have seriously lost the plot mate.

 

I'm imagining you as a little fluffy dog gnawing on a bone growling at the world as you imagine all these things that were not said or that pretty much only you have taken out of context.

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

Stuie, lately you have seriously lost the plot mate.

 

I'm imagining you as a little fluffy dog gnawing on a bone growling at the world as you imagine all these things that were not said or that pretty much only you have taken out of context.

That doesn't matter anymore because he has a moderator that protects him from being "bullied".

So whatever self-righteous,PC,indignant issue he sees fit to master, let him.

I expect this comment to be deleted soon but the site is a joke when this plonker gets a run and people with some ability to give and take a joke get banned or deleted.

5 minutes ago, Biffen said:

That doesn't matter anymore because he has a moderator that protects him from being "bullied".

So whatever self-righteous,PC,indignant issue he sees fit to master, let him.

I expect this comment to be deleted soon but the site is a joke when this plonker gets a run and people with some ability to give and take a joke get banned or deleted.

Still in Egypt then, Biff?

Bullying is bullying. Doesn't matter who the bullyee is.

Oh, and when you can take a joke, let us know.

22 minutes ago, Dr John Dee said:

Still in Egypt then, Biff?

Bullying is bullying. Doesn't matter who the bullyee is.

Oh, and when you can take a joke, let us know.

Who would want to be in Egypt?? Place is a brothel.

Stuie gets plenty because he is the David Brent of Demonland.

BBO is the bully,I'm the bigot-don't get confused.

Well done on not deleting a criticism-a first.

8 hours ago, stuie said:

He actually totally destroyed your point and your credibility.

 

my credibility and standing has long been in tact. My superior 'approval/reputation' points in comparison to yours, even though you three thousand more posts than me, begs me to ask the question, do you still have yours? 

Edited December 8, 20159 yr by The Song Formerly Known As

Stuie is a pain in the 4rse most of the time. This time I think he is right. Violence against women is a major issue and Dustin Martin must be educated and penalised. All violence is bad but don't try to diminish the violence against women problem by saying there is violence against men too.

Stuie chooses to argue and is often selective but he is not always wrong.

9 minutes ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

 

my credibility and standing has long been in tact. My superior 'approval/reputation' points in comparison to yours, even though you three thousand more posts than me, begs me to ask the question, do you still have yours? 

Song, Stuie has an ability to get under ones skin, thanks for sharing the info and for also saying that Dustin Martin was in the wrong. I wish we had a dislike button, Stuie would be world champion.

4 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Song, Stuie has an ability to get under ones skin, thanks for sharing the info and for also saying that Dustin Martin was in the wrong. I wish we had a dislike button, Stuie would be world champion.

Thanks brother. This is what baffles me. I actually am on Stuie's side and agree with what he said. Dustin needs to be punished. All i was trying to do was pass on some inside knowledge, perhaps i poorly worded it, but none of it was my own opinion, just an account of what the owners said happened. 

Can we all go back to arguing about our insipid football side now?

46 minutes ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

 

my credibility and standing has long been in tact. My superior 'approval/reputation' points in comparison to yours, even though you three thousand more posts than me, begs me to ask the question, do you still have yours? 

Haha really? You base your credibility on Demonland approval points? You've already been shot down about your apparent credible source by another poster and you're still posting in a thread you said you were done with 2-3 times... But you hang on to those internet forum approval points buddy, good for you

35 minutes ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

Thanks brother. This is what baffles me. I actually am on Stuie's side and agree with what he said. Dustin needs to be punished. All i was trying to do was pass on some inside knowledge, perhaps i poorly worded it, but none of it was my own opinion, just an account of what the owners said happened. 

Can we all go back to arguing about our insipid football side now?

You know what Song, let's move on. I generally have no problems with you and find you a reasonable bloke. This is just an issue that's very close to my heart for personal reasons so I probably took your poorly chosen words worse than most. The last thing either of us would want is to turn the attention towards us rather than this important topic.