Okay.

Time to let it go.

One group will have bragging rights as the 2016 footy season unfolds....

I'll respond as I see fit.

I'll respond as I see fit.

Of course, I expect no less....

In his 3rd year of a coaching executive that actually have a clue.

Let him play in the FP all year.

Yes, I'm shouting.

There are two things I find bizarre about this post.

1. That you would consider the coaching prior to Roos SO inept that it can totally excuse the first five years of Watts' career. A frankly ridiculous proposition.

2. That you think somehow people have forgotten how you routinely defended Neeld up until the day he was sacked. Now you rewrite history to claim that you only defended him for instilling a strong culture. The logic being that you were willing to overlook a coach who was detrimental to player development simply because he brought tough love.

Bizarre stuff.

Watts is in the last year of his contract, he's reportedly on good $$ and despite his 20 games, his 2 droppings in 2015 were rather telling (dropping himself earlier & then getting dropped by the coaches in the last game of the year with comments made by the footy department along the lines of the kids played were giving us more). He's played over 100 games now, will be in his 3rd year under Roosy, and if he can't impact contests still next year he will be getting a gigantic paycut at best in 2017 along with Dawes, Grimes & a few others so we can go fishing....... in fact I reckon he'll get a paycut regardless, he's been over paid for years now.

There are two things I find bizarre about this post.

1. That you would consider the coaching prior to Roos SO inept that it can totally excuse the first five years of Watts' career. A frankly ridiculous proposition.

2. That you think somehow people have forgotten how you routinely defended Neeld up until the day he was sacked. Now you rewrite history to claim that you only defended him for instilling a strong culture. The logic being that you were willing to overlook a coach who was detrimental to player development simply because he brought tough love.

Bizarre stuff.

I don't expect you to get it, but I want you to try your absolute best:

1. Yes, the coaching was inept, as was the recruiting, as was the culture, as was the preparation.

2. Yes, I defended Neeld to get rid of the unprofessional culture that existed, but I acknowledged he couldn't coach. Further, when he was sacked, I advocated for all to go. Clean slate.

3. Your mindless group mentality bleating of JW is growing tiresome.

Well I listened to the views as expressed and I feel I need to support Jack Watts for the following reasons

1 He rarely wastes a disposal

2 He rarely misses a goal

3 He is the best link man we have got

4 He selflessly dropped himself when he felt not up to scratch ( and in the cut throat world pf professional sport I see this as actually displaying leadership)!

5 He is blessed with the one attribute not many of any of our players have! Time!! A shimmy here a twist there, this makes him pretty unique.

FWIW I will say that Jack will be a revelation this year and play really well.

You know if he played at Hawthorn or Freo of one of the other top sides he would be an absolute world beater!!

Answer me this ..would Bruest be as sensational a player if he played with us??

Nar,

I reckon Jack Watts will surprise many, maybe even himself!

Go Jack

Go Dees!

Edited November 28, 20159 yr by picket fence

Those who say his dropping in round 22 meant nothing your kidding, it was a game where the club was looking to the future whilst commemorating Crossy's career, and the coaches didn't think Watts didn't fit the side for either of those tasks!!

Edited November 28, 20159 yr by thevil1

Well I listened to the views as expressed and I feel I need to support Jack Watts for the following reasons

1 He rarely wastes a disposal

2 He rarely misses a goal

3 He is the best link man we have got

4 He selflessly dropped himself when he felt not up to scratch ( and in the cut throat world pf professional sport I see this as actually displaying leadership)!

5 He is blessed with the one attribute not many of any of our players have! Time!! A shimmy here a twist there, this makes him pretty unique.

FWIW I will say that Jack will be a revelation this year and play really well.

You know if he played at Hawthorn or Freo of one of the other top sides he would be an absolute world beater!!

Answer me this ..would Bruest be as sensational a player if he played with us??

Nar,

I reckon Jack Watts will surprise many, maybe even himself!

Go Jack

Go Dees!

Bruest busts his guts mate, are you kidding? No way jack would get a game for clarko, at least not playing the way he has for us.

He was there for the taking during trade week. A second round pick would have been enough.

Is it a case of no other clubs rate him or think they can get him for next to nothing next year?

Well I listened to the views as expressed and I feel I need to support Jack Watts for the following reasons

1 He rarely wastes a disposal

2 He rarely misses a goal

3 He is the best link man we have got

4 He selflessly dropped himself when he felt not up to scratch ( and in the cut throat world pf professional sport I see this as actually displaying leadership)!

5 He is blessed with the one attribute not many of any of our players have! Time!! A shimmy here a twist there, this makes him pretty unique.

FWIW I will say that Jack will be a revelation this year and play really well.

You know if he played at Hawthorn or Freo of one of the other top sides he would be an absolute world beater!!

Answer me this ..would Bruest be as sensational a player if he played with us??

Nar,

I reckon Jack Watts will surprise many, maybe even himself!

Go Jack

Go Dees!

Bruest can win his own ball.

You've asked the wrong question, it should have been "is the way Jack plays his footy sustainable in a final should we make finals" and the answer is no.

I remember listening to the Essendon game on the radio, Gary Lyon was listing Melbourne players who needed to lift in the second half (yes the whole team under performed that day) Watts name was mentioned as he was playing on a first year and was getting led to the footy.

Edited November 28, 20159 yr by Bombay Airconditioning

We've had that many "Watts" threads over the year and we all know where each other stands in regards to him. Next year is make or break for him. Jumbo has mentioned him playing forward pocket, I like the idea but failing that he's cooked.

Yeah wel, I'm still gonna back him!!

And just as an aside

Didn't Bruest jump out of the way of oncoming traffic?? And was crucified for it in the press and on the Hawks fan forum!?

Clarko wouldn't stand for that What????

Edited November 29, 20159 yr by picket fence

I don't expect you to get it, but I want you to try your absolute best:

1. Yes, the coaching was inept, as was the recruiting, as was the culture, as was the preparation.

2. Yes, I defended Neeld to get rid of the unprofessional culture that existed, but I acknowledged he couldn't coach. Further, when he was sacked, I advocated for all to go. Clean slate.

3. Your mindless group mentality bleating of JW is growing tiresome.

You tried to pull off the condescending reply when defending Neeld as well. It didn't work then either.

1. Was the coaching of a lesser standard? More than likely. They were/are still professional AFL coaches. Using any of their shortcomings to cancel out five years of a player's career is seriously clutching at straws.

2. So you were willing to back in a hopeless coach simply because you felt he was addressing the culture? That is an incredibly reckless position to take. I doubt it's true in any case. If I had the inclination, I'm certain I could find posts of yours that defended Neeld more holistically than that. Such was your passionate defending of Neeld, you were skeptical about the Roos appointment at the beginning. You felt Neeld was the right man for the job, you stated that repeatedly, and you were wrong. You would do yourself a huge favour by just admitting that. But you won't, because you think pride is better preserved by doing these silly mental gymnastics.

3. Again, point to where I've been critical of Watts in this thread. Scroll back and you'll see that I think Watts will play at least 11 games. PD has overshot there. It's a big season for him, no doubt. He'll need to find consistency in 2016 to prevent being overtaken by those knocking on the door.

Edited November 28, 20159 yr by P-man

There's no way Melbourne will match any offer for watts next year unless he completely changes his game...can't see it happening.

So I think we can be pretty sure, 2016 is watts last year in the red and blue , regardless of his personal career come 2017.

Let's enjoy the final year of this most controversial journey

Edited November 28, 20159 yr by Munga

Great.

So you're taking a 2 month sabbatical too ?

Nope. I don't do that self imposed ban stuff. Seems stupid.

I will however submit to you fricking around with my avatar or sign off as you see fit.

Rubbish and hyperbole.

My favourite thing about Watts is you can find out the people who have little understanding about footy and choose to make definitive statements about him and come out at this time every year saying "it's his last chance" blah blah.

Typical response from Father Stuie

Can you seriously imagine Jack Watts playing a solid game in late September?

Think hard before throwing back a response Father.

Decent players don't drop themselves from a senior team.

Watts is way down the pecking order now

Another ordinary season in 2016 & he won't progress.

Attitude is all wrong sadly.

You tried to pull off the condescending reply when defending Neeld as well. It didn't work then either.

1. Was the coaching of a lesser standard? More than likely. They were/are still professional AFL coaches. Using any of their shortcomings to cancel out five years of a player's career is seriously clutching at straws.

2. So you were willing to back in a hopeless coach simply because you felt he was addressing the culture? That is an incredibly reckless position to take. I doubt it's true in any case. If I had the inclination, I'm certain I could find posts of yours that defended Neeld more holistically than that. Such was your passionate defending of Neeld, you were skeptical about the Roos appointment at the beginning. You felt Neeld was the right man for the job, you stated that repeatedly, and you were wrong. You would do yourself a huge favour by just admitting that. But you won't, because you think pride is better reserved by doing these silly mental gymnastics.

3. Again, point to where I've been critical of Watts in this thread. Scroll back and you'll see that I think Watts will play at least 11 games. PD has overshot there. It's a big season for him, no doubt. He'll need to find consistency in 2016 to prevent being overtaken by those knocking on the door.

Don't forget the tantrum he threw when Roos said that the players were scarred. He then went on to tell us all that he wanted to see 'actions, not words' from our head coach.

Mind you that the 2014 season hadn't even started yet. Short of Roosy invading the Westpac Centre and challenging Bucks to a jelly wrestling match, I'm not sure what 'visible action' Roos could have taken.

Externally, that was the offers received.

Regardless of whether he is rated externally or not, I personally am of the opinion he is in the best 22 and obviously from there it's form dependent as we have more depth.

If Jack Watts is in our best 22 (automatic selection) with his present form and attitude then this club is continuing to go nowhere.

The good thing is I don't think he is.

Jack needs to work hard core toward aggression to the ball otherwise he just won't fit in

If we had a set shot after the siren I would want it in Watts' hands or Salem.

The next Colin Sylvia.

Enjoys the nightlife way too much.

The next Colin Sylvia.

Enjoys the nightlife way too much.

Gets more Hoochie.

Don't forget the tantrum he threw when Roos said that the players were scarred. He then went on to tell us all that he wanted to see 'actions, not words' from our head coach.

Mind you that the 2014 season hadn't even started yet. Short of Roosy invading the Westpac Centre and challenging Bucks to a jelly wrestling match, I'm not sure what 'visible action' Roos could have taken.

Good ol CBF....if that's your real name -.-

Always a (dis) pleasure to read your inane drivel.

Wattsy is OOC and up against it to hold his spot in the 22 in some pretty exciting times, 2016 is as simple as jack watts answering the question of how badly he wants to be part of it, is he willing to fight for it.

3. Again, point to where I've been critical of Watts in this thread. Scroll back and you'll see that I think Watts will play at least 11 games. PD has overshot there. It's a big season for him, no doubt. He'll need to find consistency in 2016 to prevent being overtaken by those knocking on the door.

Oh! Are you in on the bet to?

Scroll back? Nah.

CBF.....(my favourite poster)

Good ol CBF....if that's your real name -.-

Always a (dis) pleasure to read your inane drivel.

Wow.

Hearing that from a bloke who backed someone who holds a 15% winning record and who can't bring himself to actually admit that, you know, it was a complete disaster, I must really be incoherent...

By the way, my name isn't really Colin B. Flaubert, jumbo returns. Though I know for a fact that isn't your real name. My well placed sources tell me that it's Azzface VonClownstick.