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http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-16/how-are-your-clubs-draftees-faring-during-their-first-afl-preseasons

Clayton Oliver: Has demonstrated good pace and is a reasonable size but is likely to take time to be ready for senior football as he embeds good habits in preparation for his AFL career.
 

Can any of the regular posters that attend training shed any light into the meaning of the above sentence? Other training reports were indicating an early season debut.

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      On 16/01/2016 at 05:54, sydneydee said:

    http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-16/how-are-your-clubs-draftees-faring-during-their-first-afl-preseasons

    Clayton Oliver: Has demonstrated good pace and is a reasonable size but is likely to take time to be ready for senior football as he embeds good habits in preparation for his AFL career.
     

    Can any of the regular posters that attend training shed any light into the meaning of the above sentence? Other training reports were indicating an early season debut.

    doesn't mind a beer.

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      On 16/01/2016 at 05:54, sydneydee said:

    http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-16/how-are-your-clubs-draftees-faring-during-their-first-afl-preseasons

    Clayton Oliver: Has demonstrated good pace and is a reasonable size but is likely to take time to be ready for senior football as he embeds good habits in preparation for his AFL career.
     

    Can any of the regular posters that attend training shed any light into the meaning of the above sentence? Other training reports were indicating an early season debut.

    Paul Roos on Oliver this preseason:

    “Young Clayton has come down from the country. He’s got a good size AFL body, which gives him a bit of an advantage over some of the first-year players. He looks like he’s going to be a good runner too – he burst out of the blocks in a 300-metre run. But he’s learning good habits, like all of the young kids.” – Paul Roos

    They're just sifting through Roos critique and putting their own slant on it.  They're offering nothing original or new.  In other words, it's complete guesswork.

     

    The following is what that article says about Josh Wagner:

    Joshua Wagner: "Knows what he is doing, has a good left foot but needs to improve his running."

    This is what Roos said about Wagner on the club website:

    "he’s a nice left-footer with good skills and he knows what he’s doing.” – Paul Roos

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      On 16/01/2016 at 11:12, Deecisive said:

    This like the Essendon saga comes down to comfort level on the level of proof of an offense. The police would only be looking for a crime,  as there was insufficient evidence of a crime the police were not issues. The AFL and Richmond therefore took the easy way out as there was no crime Dusty was absolved of wrong doing even though he clearly demonstrated extremely poor judgement/behaviour, whether he threatened with a chopstick or not he was most likely drunk and offensive and by his very size and demeanour would likely be seen by the woman as being threatening. The fact he was given a suspended sentence indicates that the AFL and Richmond both figure he has not really done anything wrong. This does send the wrong message to players, a few grand out of dusty's pocket would not have been a big deal and would have sent a message to both him and other players to take care.

     

      On 16/01/2016 at 06:58, ProDee said:

    Paul Roos on Oliver this preseason:

    “Young Clayton has come down from the country. He’s got a good size AFL body, which gives him a bit of an advantage over some of the first-year players. He looks like he’s going to be a good runner too – he burst out of the blocks in a 300-metre run. But he’s learning good habits, like all of the young kids.” – Paul Roos

    They're just sifting through Roos critique and putting their own slant on it.  They're offering nothing original or new.  In other words, it's complete guesswork.

     

    The following is what that article says about Josh Wagner:

    Joshua Wagner: "Knows what he is doing, has a good left foot but needs to improve his running."

    This is what Roos said about Wagner on the club website:

    "he’s a nice left-footer with good skills and he knows what he’s doing.” – Paul Roos

    The alternative for Wagner, I guess, would be that he's been on song. Or has  been instrumental in drills. Sorry.

    Or he doesn't know what he's doing.

     

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      On 16/01/2016 at 05:54, sydneydee said:

    http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-16/how-are-your-clubs-draftees-faring-during-their-first-afl-preseasons

    Clayton Oliver: Has demonstrated good pace and is a reasonable size but is likely to take time to be ready for senior football as he embeds good habits in preparation for his AFL career.
     

    Can any of the regular posters that attend training shed any light into the meaning of the above sentence? Other training reports were indicating an early season debut.

    Haven't been reading for a while so catch up with posts, I have spoken to the players about this season, everybody has been told there are no guarantees whether your name is Nathan Jones or Clayton Oliver, over the pre season and NAB cup games, you have to grab your chance, the 22 picked for game 1 will be the fittest and in form, no more players carrying injuries or getting games on reputation, if Oliver looks good enough he will get a game

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      On 17/01/2016 at 04:59, Satyriconhome said:

    Haven't been reading for a while so catch up with posts, I have spoken to the players about this season, everybody has been told there are NO GUARANTEES whether your name is Nathan Jones or Clayton Oliver, over the pre season and NAB cup games, you have to grab your chance, the 22 picked for game 1 will be the fittest and in form, no more players carrying injuries or getting games on reputation, if Oliver looks good enough he will get a game

    As it should be I reckon

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      On 17/01/2016 at 09:02, Curry & Beer said:

    it'd be a bit rough eh

    welcome to the AFL - I hope you're not into getting drunk with your mates cos that's over for the next 10-15 years

    It's rough but it comes with the territory of a $60k per year job straight out of high school in an industry where you are the focus (everything is done for you and tailored personally to you: coaching, fitness,  personal trainers,  massages, specialists looking after you), with a chance for that to jump to $200k plus within a couple of years. 

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      On 17/01/2016 at 09:50, deanox said:

    It's rough but it comes with the territory of a $60k per year job straight out of high school in an industry where you are the focus (everything is done for you and tailored personally to you: coaching, fitness,  personal trainers,  massages, specialists looking after you), with a chance for that to jump to $200k plus within a couple of years. 

    Within the first year if he shows he can do it right. 

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      On 17/01/2016 at 09:02, Curry & Beer said:

    it'd be a bit rough eh

    welcome to the AFL - I hope you're not into getting drunk with your mates cos that's over for the next 10-15 years

    Firstly, you'd think very few kids who have come through the system and been dedicated enough to make it to the elite level that is AFL would value getting drunk with their mates more than their football career.

    Secondly, it would hardly come as a surprise to them that that is the level of professionalism expected.

    Third, the average AFL career is less than 3 years.

    Forth, would hardly think the social life of an AFL footballer is something that deserves sympathy.

     

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      On 17/01/2016 at 21:41, stuie said:

    Firstly, you'd think very few kids who have come through the system and been dedicated enough to make it to the elite level that is AFL would value getting drunk with their mates more than their football career.

    Secondly, it would hardly come as a surprise to them that that is the level of professionalism expected.

    Third, the average AFL career is less than 3 years.

    Forth, would hardly think the social life of an AFL footballer is something that deserves sympathy.

     

    mr petty argument

    1 is blatantly untrue. For every Scully there is a Sylvia

    2 who said it did

    3 so what, thats if you wash out, thats obviusly not plan A is it

    4 that one aspect of it does

    i think i can guess what sort of 18 year old you were so you probably can't relate

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      On 17/01/2016 at 22:40, Curry & Beer said:

    mr petty argument

    1 is blatantly untrue. For every Scully there is a Sylvia

    2 who said it did

    3 so what, thats if you wash out, thats obviusly not plan A is it

    4 that one aspect of it does

    i think i can guess what sort of 18 year old you were so you probably can't relate

     

    1. Do you even realize how rigorous the interview/profiling process is for draftees?

    2. You said: "welcome to the AFL - I hope you're not into getting drunk with your mates cos that's over for the next 10-15 years" Which clearly indicates you're saying it would be a surprise to them.

    3. Do you understand what the word "average" means? It basically means "most common", so less than 3 years is the "most common" career time span, not just for those that "wash out".

    4. Seriously if you think the social life of an AFL footballer is something that suffers due to their career you must have never been to a club/pub/bar/restaurant in your life.

     

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      On 17/01/2016 at 22:46, stuie said:

     

    ".

    4. Seriously if you think the social life of an AFL footballer is something that suffers due to their career you must have never been to a club/pub/bar/restaurant in your life.

     

    Chopstick  restaurant in Prahran springs to mind.  

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    Oliver is a good size. Good pace. Great prospect.

    I saw him train at Maroochydore and gets in. Arms and midfield strength need another year or two in the gym.

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      On 17/01/2016 at 04:59, Satyriconhome said:

    Haven't been reading for a while so catch up with posts, I have spoken to the players about this season, everybody has been told there are no guarantees whether your name is Nathan Jones or Clayton Oliver, over the pre season and NAB cup games, you have to grab your chance, the 22 picked for game 1 will be the fittest and in form, no more players carrying injuries or getting games on reputation, if Oliver looks good enough he will get a game

    Hey Saty!!!! Missed your genuinely great input around here. I have been away awhile too. Not as long as you though. Good to have you back Mate.

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      On 17/01/2016 at 04:59, Satyriconhome said:

    Haven't been reading for a while so catch up with posts, I have spoken to the players about this season, everybody has been told there are no guarantees whether your name is Nathan Jones or Clayton Oliver, over the pre season and NAB cup games, you have to grab your chance, the 22 picked for game 1 will be the fittest and in form, no more players carrying injuries or getting games on reputation, if Oliver looks good enough he will get a game

    I get the concept, but il bet ya it's not the case for 10-15 players in the squad. Hogan, Jones, Gawn, Vince, Viney, T-Mac Dunn all walk into the team and would do so on pretty limited minutes and a terrible nab cup

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      On 22/01/2016 at 14:12, Mad_Melbourne said:

    I get the concept, but il bet ya it's not the case for 10-15 players in the squad. Hogan, Jones, Gawn, Vince, Viney, T-Mac Dunn all walk into the team and would do so on pretty limited minutes and a terrible nab cup

    Maybe, but let's wait and see

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      On 23/01/2016 at 22:35, Satyriconhome said:

    Maybe, but let's wait and see

    Matt Jones a lock in the best 22 again this year Saty?  

      On 22/01/2016 at 14:12, Mad_Melbourne said:

    I get the concept, but il bet ya it's not the case for 10-15 players in the squad. Hogan, Jones, Gawn, Vince, Viney, T-Mac Dunn all walk into the team and would do so on pretty limited minutes and a terrible nab cup

    Without a doubt.  There are 5-7 spots up for grabs in the side for Round 1.  Plenty of them are well and truly filled and everyone knows it, no more so than the players.

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      On 23/01/2016 at 23:01, Wiseblood said:

    Matt Jones a lock in the best 22 again this year Saty?  

    Without a doubt.  There are 5-7 spots up for grabs in the side for Round 1.  Plenty of them are well and truly filled and everyone knows it, no more so than the players.

    Personally I don't think anybody is a lock this year, but if you want to that's your choice

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      On 23/01/2016 at 23:05, Satyriconhome said:

    Personally I don't think anybody is a lock this year, but if you want to that's your choice

    Serious question - you are trying to tell me that Jesse Hogan, for example, is not a lock to play in Round 1 this year?

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      On 23/01/2016 at 23:01, Wiseblood said:
      On 23/01/2016 at 23:06, Wiseblood said:

    Serious question - you are trying to tell me that Jesse Hogan, for example, is not a lock to play in Round 1 this year?

     

    Serious answer - the 22 for Rd 1 will consist of the fittest and most in form players at that moment, as I stated in another post, the players are on notice, you have to earn your spot and perform consistently to keep it.

    You will also notice that on the club website report for the final training session at Maroochydore, Nathan Jones was praised for his improved field running, a best and fairest winner who has had to improve this part of his game to make sure he gets a game

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      On 23/01/2016 at 23:12, Satyriconhome said:

    Serious answer - the 22 for Rd 1 will consist of the fittest and most in form players at that moment, as I stated in another post, the players are on notice, you have to earn your spot and perform consistently to keep it.

    You will also notice that on the club website report for the final training session at Maroochydore, Nathan Jones was praised for his improved field running, a best and fairest winner who has had to improve this part of his game to make sure he gets a game

    You're kidding yourself.  Really, you are.

    Jesse Hogan plays in Round 1 no matter what.  Even if he plays in two NAB Cup games and doesn't get a kick, he plays.  

    The same goes for a number of other players.  We aren't Hawthorn.  We need our best 22 on the park.  The players might be on 'notice', but any person with half a brain knows that guys like Jones, Vince, Viney, McDonald, Gawn, Garland, Dunn, Salem, Tyson etc. will be playing in Round 1 if they aren't injured.  That's just common sense.

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      On 23/01/2016 at 23:12, Satyriconhome said:

    Serious answer - the 22 for Rd 1 will consist of the fittest and most in form players at that moment, as I stated in another post, the players are on notice, you have to earn your spot and perform consistently to keep it.

    You will also notice that on the club website report for the final training session at Maroochydore, Nathan Jones was praised for his improved field running, a best and fairest winner who has had to improve this part of his game to make sure he gets a game

    Garbage. There is not even the slightest possibility that N.Jones and Hogan would not be selected for round 1. In fact they would have to go through an extraorfinarily awful and lengthy run of bad form to be dropped. There are 'locks' at every club.

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      On 23/01/2016 at 23:12, Satyriconhome said:

    Serious answer - the 22 for Rd 1 will consist of the fittest and most in form players at that moment, as I stated in another post, the players are on notice, you have to earn your spot and perform consistently to keep it.

    You will also notice that on the club website report for the final training session at Maroochydore, Nathan Jones was praised for his improved field running, a best and fairest winner who has had to improve this part of his game to make sure he gets a game

    Jones has always been a strong runner right from his Triathlon days back when he was playing TAC cup. I think they want to improve his running to really push him to the next level which is great. Even if he hadn't Jones would still get a game regardless. He is an absolute inspirational and courageous captainthat there is no way Paul Roos wouldn't select him based that he couldn't improve his already strong running endurance.

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