Don't know about Weideman, have heard he can go missing a bit. Would take Curnow though!

Is Curnow a bit like Petracca forward who turned midfield?

Didn't realise that Bugg had played 65 games.

I'm of the opinion that our net gain this period will prove to be pretty good. Despite what some say, all three of Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg will be best 22 contributors next season. Even if they aren't, they'll be fringe at worst and competing harder for spots than Toumpas would have, or Howe should have.

I'm just saying that the trades haven't necessarily improved our list. From where I sit, it's a break even at best.

I think the whole point of a trade period is to swap out players and to bring in players that are better suited to the sides needs. If sides come away from the trade period with huge wins that means that others have had huge losses. The concept of fair trade allows for win win. Sometimes you may get a bargain.

So has our list improved? I would argue it is not worse and it has a harder edge, that may have been the aim, so that is a win. We have not made any clanger trades IMO and we still have good draft picks. No big fish, OK maybe next year, maybe never.

Didn't realise that Bugg had played 65 games.

I'm of the opinion that our net gain this period will prove to be pretty good. Despite what some say, all three of Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg will be best 22 contributors next season. Even if they aren't, they'll be fringe at worst and competing harder for spots than Toumpas would have, or Howe should have.

For what it's worth he also had the number of games he played this year capped at 16 so that he did not reach 17 games which was a trigger for a new contract with GWS.

This is the draft/trade period...

Over the last 2 years with Roos we have picked up Tyson/Salem and Brayshaw/Petracca then of course Vince/Cross and some other young promising kids like Stretch, Frost, ANB, OMac, Harmes, White etc.

It will be interesting to see what else we have if anything past Bugg for this trade period.

If not the next stop is the draft and then getting Petracca & Trengove back on the paddock.

I'm just saying that the trades haven't necessarily improved our list. From where I sit, it's a break even at best.

Talent wise it may be break even, but as far as getting what we need to help list balance its a win. We need outside run and carry, and Melksham and Kennedy will give that.

Oh and we got two competitors, and moved two non competitors out.

With bringing in the likes of Melksham, Kennedy and probably Bugg, including having Petracca and Trengove back in the picture, would anyone be upset if we reached for Weideman come draft time?

Clearly Weitering and Schache will be gone, Parish probably too come our first pick. The last time we reached for a KPF was Cook, do we dare reach again?

Cook, Watts, Molan - we don't have a good track record with reaching for KPF's.

Hogan was different as the kid is a beast.

Are Salem/Tyson in the same position as Toumpas in regards to next years upcoming output? I mean, touch wood but if they're free of injury but don't step up and fill their role and position with some consistent football, they may need to be re-considered?

How about this for a deal,

Pick 50, 46, and 6 to GWS for Bugg, pick 8 and 27. GWS lose Bugg for a 103 point gain, equivalent of about pick 60 (may be a little low).

We then trade pick 8,29, and 27 to GC for Pick 3 and a player worth about pick 30. We gain Parish in the draft, which we want, and GC get an extra 673 points minus a player worth about 673 points (pick 30ish).

leaves us with few draft picks but we get the two players we want and some steak knives from GC.

For what it's worth he also had the number of games he played this year capped at 16 so that he did not reach 17 games which was a trigger for a new contract with GWS.

That's interesting. I assumed he was injured after round 10 or whenever he was dropped. His form was a little patchy but not too bad.

Saints will pass us next year the list hasn't improved over the last 2 weeks very dissapointed I would've sent Howe to the PSD stuff the second rounder it's a crap draft anyway god knows what those flogs pitched to Hogan but I'm sure it wasn't Bugg Melksham and the other unknown

that is ridiculous. media said the saints had passed us this year - where did they finish on the Ladder? Giving howe to PSD would have been crazy...nothing in return

How about this for a deal,

Pick 50, 46, and 6 to GWS for Bugg, pick 8 and 27. GWS lose Bugg for a 103 point gain, equivalent of about pick 60 (may be a little low).

We then trade pick 8,29, and 27 to GC for Pick 3 and a player worth about pick 30. We gain Parish in the draft, which we want, and GC get an extra 673 points minus a player worth about 673 points (pick 30ish).

leaves us with few draft picks but we get the two players we want and some steak knives from GC.

GCS aren't interested in any points though because they don't have any academy prospects this year so why would they do that trade?

Saints will pass us next year the list hasn't improved over the last 2 weeks very dissapointed I would've sent Howe to the PSD stuff the second rounder it's a crap draft anyway god knows what those flogs pitched to Hogan but I'm sure it wasn't Bugg Melksham and the other unknown

That doesn't make any sense. We haven't improved the list yet you'd have preferred to see Howe go for nothing? One second rounder is better than no second rounder.

The Saints are cactus when Riewoldt retires.

Are Salem/Tyson in the same position as Toumpas in regards to next years upcoming output? I mean, touch wood but if they're free of injury but don't step up and fill their role and position with some consistent football, they may need to be re-considered?

I'm not sure if that is a troll...

Tyson was epic last year, and Salem was phenomenal in the limited time he had this year.

GCS aren't interested in any points though because they don't have any academy prospects this year so why would they do that trade?

Then why the reports of people going after GWS top picks with multiple lower picks in order to give GWS points, which they apparently wanted? That was my basis for them wanting points, may well be completely incorrect as it did come from the media.

Is Curnow a bit like Petracca forward who turned midfield?

That was my understanding yeah, and a competitor.

Heard him compared to Jake Stringer... yes please.

Are Salem/Tyson in the same position as Toumpas in regards to next years upcoming output? I mean, touch wood but if they're free of injury but don't step up and fill their role and position with some consistent football, they may need to be re-considered?

Couldn't possibly be a a Melbourne supporter .

Salem is a gun and Tyson ain't going nowhere.

You don't like punctuation marks do you?

Nah mate

That was my understanding yeah, and a competitor.

Heard him compared to Jake Stringer... yes please.

I know the Curnows very well. Charlie, excluding bias, is a very good footballer. I think whoever has pick 5 though might beat us to him, sadly.

Would be amazing pickup....

GCS aren't interested in any points though because they don't have any academy prospects this year so why would they do that trade?

How about Bugg for pick 50 and picks 6 and 29 to GC for pick 3 and no player back. We lose 160 points that we don't need and GC gain them. Still get the two players we want but no more steak knives.

That doesn't make any sense. We haven't improved the list yet you'd have preferred to see Howe go for nothing? One second rounder is better than no second rounder.

The Saints are cactus when Riewoldt retires.

Josh Bruce kicked 50 this year and they have the number

1 Full Forward coming through the saints are doing it 100 times better than us

Then why the reports of people going after GWS top picks with multiple lower picks in order to give GWS points, which they apparently wanted? That was my basis for them wanting points, may well be completely incorrect as it did come from the media.

Difference between GCS and GWS...

I know the Curnows very well. Charlie, excluding bias, is a very good footballer. I think whoever has pick 5 though might beat us to him, sadly.

Would be amazing pickup....

There's a few around that mark, so I reckon its a possibility. After Schache and Weitering, you've got Parish, Mills, Ah Chee, Curnow, Weideman... it's possible.

Either Parish or Curnow, and I'd be pretty pleased.

Josh Bruce kicked 50 this year and they have the no

1 Full Forward coming through the saints are doing it 100 times better than us

McCartin will get no where near Hogan.

Difference between GCS and GWS...

It was definitely GWS reported on. Talk of two picks int eh 20's from the dons to GWS for pick 8.