It's almost taken Walsh's death for many to realise just how bad ice is.

I've been to plenty of homicides and serious assaults, a large number attributed to ice.

There's no reasoning, no talking someone down who's on ice. People who suggest we have dedicated rooms like we do for people who inject Heroin are kidding themselves and have no real idea of how people react to ice.

Those of us who see the affects almost daily have been seeing these sorts of things for years.

Tougher penalties for possessing ice would be a start. $100 fine from the courts for possessing is simply not good enough.

Every cloud has a silver lining. Hopefully lots of kids and parents can learn from this.

I think many people have needed to assume something like ice was involved to at least try and fathom how something like that may have happened.

I said to a friend, if it wasn't ice, it's even more unbelievable and impossible to even reconcile how the events transpired.

Of course, it makes it no easier to accept.

I do hope that the full story is shared (if the Walsh family are up to that) if there are drugs involved. We need to get things into the public domain so people can make informed decisions about what choices they make in regards to illicit drug taking.

(I apologise if the above is perceived as specilating beyond the point of reasonableness, it's not my intention to offend, rather comment on my nervousness of the ice / drug culture sweeping this country).

Tragic news whatever the causes. Still digesting it.

The Crows also lost Dean Bailey last year. Brought home at the moment because he almost certainly would have been interim coach, and then ... well, we'll never know.

Cruel, hard times.

  On 04/07/2015 at 00:30, ManDee said:

Any possibilty that Goodwin may feel obliged to help his old team?

No

Sobering! I told my family today how much I love him and if nothing else, lets gather around all family and express same!

The reality is you never ever know when your times up!

Live each day well, give praise to those who deserve and need it, offer encouragement and support to those that need it and keep each in care!

VALE Phil Walsh! This is extremely disturbing, on a number of levels!

I hope some good comes from this tragedy!

Don't feel it right now though!

This is one of the most depressing incidents in recent times.

I feel sick thinking of the pain and suffering ahead of the Walsh family.

At least they should know that the entire nation is behind them.

Christ this just gets more heart breaking the more you hear of it. Stabbed in the back while he was in bed. Jesus.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/daughter-quinn-walshs-message-of-grief-after-her-father-phil-walshs-murder/story-fnp04d70-1227428769282

  On 04/07/2015 at 14:24, dees189227 said:

Christ this just gets more heart breaking the more you hear of it. Stabbed in the back while he was in bed. Jesus.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/daughter-quinn-walshs-message-of-grief-after-her-father-phil-walshs-murder/story-fnp04d70-1227428769282

That's just [censored] up.

The football community has united not only over the tragic passing of Phil Walsh but on a lesser scale but with no less grief and passion for their loss, these communities gathered together at their sporting places to mourn teenagers Jason Breakwell, Sharn Walker and Felisha Allen who lost their lives when the car they were in hit a tree last week.

Rivalries aside, the hills community stands as one.

Such is life and such is death.

Not much has been said about Phil's son, Cy except for a story with 'nomad' in the headline. Much has been noted about Phil rebuilding his relationship with Cy.

While casually reading the sports reports I came across this from Alan Richardson:

"I didn't have a lot to do with Phil. I had a lot to do with getting him to Port Adelaide. I met with Phil halfway through the year when he was with West Coast," Richardson said.

"It was pretty clear his want was to get to Adelaide to get closer to his son."

At the core of his being, whether drug affected or not, Cy would know that he was a much loved son.

At some level he would know that his father was making up for lost time, the time lost with him.

So it is unimaginable what Cy will go thru. He will have to live with his crime.

More than that he will have to live without anymore time with his father.

He has deprived himself of one of life's most precious gifts.

That may be a greater burden than any the justice system can issue.

Here is a young man who seems to have done no wrong in the past.

But in a moment of frenzy has shattered his own world and the world of those he loves and love him.

I feel great compassion for him.

I hope he is treated well by the press as the story unfolds.

And if there is to be a lesson from this tragedy it is to tell your family you love them.

And, it is to spend time with them, to do things with them.

This was so beautifully said in the song: 'Cats in the cradle':