On 28/06/2015 at 09:05, faultydet said:

oh, forgot to say. I reside for a large part of every year in Asia, and let me tell you, that the threat of jail, or having a lead pellet shot through my chest, provide me with enough reasons to stay away from the very very available hard drugs that I come across here. Very cheap, available for home delivery, and very potent.

Not for me.

You have almost perfectly argued against your own point with this post.

  On 28/06/2015 at 10:02, Soidee said:

Drug taking culture in Australia is a national shame as is our domestic violence culture, as is our gambling culture, as is our booze culture......now we export the best parts of our culture to places like Bali and Phuket.

Demand for illicit drugs in Australia per head of capita is number one in the western world .....wow what a proud achievement that is NOT!

Meanwhile, those of us who actually pay taxes carry the burden of looking after irresponsible tools who get into trouble and use the health system because the want to be part of the drug culture.

Awesome stuff.

  On 28/06/2015 at 10:36, Nasher said:

You have almost perfectly argued against your own point with this post.

Bullschit

I said that drugs here are very cheap, and easily obtained. (One of the arguments put forward to legalise them, to prevent crime)

I then said that the fact they are illegal, and would result in a lead pellet death, is good enough reason for me to stay away.

Try to make sense next time.

Those Corby girls have been framed.

It's a terrible miscarriage of justice.

Gary Ablett hates a drug.

  On 28/06/2015 at 10:32, faultydet said:

Tell me what part of "decriminalize all drugs" says they are a bad thing? Legal, means not bad. Acceptable, ok.

People do not just take up drugs because they are illegal, and they want to be "bad" All sorts of reasons why people take them up, and turn into druggo losers, who are a burden on society.

Users will always find an argument in support of legalisation.

Are you a user?

Not exactly sure what you're trying to say here, other than you don't agree with me.

I am not a user.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, or even some of them, but the current approach, fully endorsed by our politicians of all stripes (ie, "tough on drugs"), has failed.

Even you admit than in areas with harsh penalties, drugs are still freely available and therefore (one suspects) purchased and used.

I say, take out the criminal element -- have the govt supply them under controlled conditions and known quality. Send the prices through the floor and put the crims out of business. Take away the glamour element: dispense in boring unattractive clinics. Stop clogging up our courts and law enforcement: decriminalise. (Note: that is not the same thing as legalising, in the way smokes & grog are legal.)

What can we do about the current addicts? Well, they're addicted. Give them their stuff under govt supervision and try to get them unhooked. Probably a losing battle, but at least they won't die in a gutter.

Ultimately, I think the only thing that can stop the uptake is to have drugs viewed by young people as the kind of thing their parents would use, or even worse, their grandparents. What I suggest may go some way to achieving that.

  On 28/06/2015 at 10:46, faultydet said:

Bullschit

I said that drugs here are very cheap, and easily obtained. (One of the arguments put forward to legalise them, to prevent crime)

I then said that the fact they are illegal, and would result in a lead pellet death, is good enough reason for me to stay away.

Try to make sense next time.

Faulty i agree they are abundant and easy to buy however in Australia they are not cheap. I am obviously talking about ice (the same can be said for cocaine where over here it's one of the most expensive places in the world to purchase it).

The street value for an ounce of meth is approx 13K (9k wholesale). Compare that to the states or Europe which is less than half.

Legalising wont prevent crime, the user will still have to purchase it somehow. The only crime it may slow down are the cooks. The users are the ones committing the robberies and burglaries to afford to pay for the drugs. They will still have to purchase it even if legal.

I've seen some horrible things committed by people who are on ice. Legalising it wont stop these things from happening.

So did Harmichael ACTUALLY feel better on Swisse?

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:39, Je Roos Salem said:

So did Harmichael ACTUALLY feel better on Swisse?

Soooo much better. Swisse crack is apparently the best. Very fresh.

can anyone tell me what a single hit of crystal meth is worth on Australian streets?

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:51, faultydet said:

can anyone tell me what a single hit of crystal meth is worth on Australian streets?

$100 for a point.

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:37, Ethan Tremblay said:

Faulty i agree they are abundant and easy to buy however in Australia they are not cheap. I am obviously talking about ice (the same can be said for cocaine where over here it's one of the most expensive places in the world to purchase it).

The street value for an ounce of meth is approx 13K (9k wholesale). Compare that to the states or Europe which is less than half.

Legalising wont prevent crime, the user will still have to purchase it somehow. The only crime it may slow down are the cooks. The users are the ones committing the robberies and burglaries to afford to pay for the drugs. They will still have to purchase it even if legal.

I've seen some horrible things committed by people who are on ice. Legalising it wont stop these things from happening.

Actually Ethan, im fully aware that the advocates for legalization are arguing that a legal status will result in cheaper prices, therefore a lower need for crime to pay for it. I understand that, and I also agree that it would likely be an outcome of legalisation .

I am simply against ANY measure, that makes it more likely for my kids, or grandkids to use the stuff. Ok, I'm not stupid, of course they will try something, but at least if its still illegal, with big consequences for being caught, the families educations process is likely to win out, and they wont keep using.

If its socially acceptable, cheap, without immediate consequence, there is no reason for them to stop. Simple really.

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:54, Ethan Tremblay said:

$100 for a point.

for $100 here, I can get enough to get 10+ people bent off their dial.

Its not cool to be sitting in a room, watching the girls spin the perfect foil pipe, all the while waiting for someone to kick down the door.

  On 28/06/2015 at 08:14, Webber said:

Yep. Isolated studies back this up. Reduction in crime is the first social consequence of decriminalisation.

If you decriminalise everything you could wipe out crime overnight.

  On 28/06/2015 at 08:40, faultydet said:

Sorry everyone, I can see that this is turning into a general thread.

Will refrain from posting on this subject here.

faulty

  On 28/06/2015 at 09:02, faultydet said:

I said I would post on this subject again, but what the hell, one last time wont hurt.

Readily available supplies of hard drugs, with no threat of penalty, will of course empower more people to give it a go.

"go on mate, its fine, its all legal. And its on $10 a hit, give it a go, my shout"

Lets say we will never agree, but I appreciate the reasoned reply.

  On 28/06/2015 at 09:05, faultydet said:

oh, forgot to say. I reside for a large part of every year in Asia, and let me tell you, that the threat of jail, or having a lead pellet shot through my chest, provide me with enough reasons to stay away from the very very available hard drugs that I come across here. Very cheap, available for home delivery, and very potent.

Not for me.

  On 28/06/2015 at 10:32, faultydet said:

Tell me what part of "decriminalize all drugs" says they are a bad thing? Legal, means not bad. Acceptable, ok.

People do not just take up drugs because they are illegal, and they want to be "bad" All sorts of reasons why people take them up, and turn into druggo losers, who are a burden on society.

Users will always find an argument in support of legalisation.

Are you a user?

  On 28/06/2015 at 10:46, faultydet said:

Bullschit

I said that drugs here are very cheap, and easily obtained. (One of the arguments put forward to legalise them, to prevent crime)

I then said that the fact they are illegal, and would result in a lead pellet death, is good enough reason for me to stay away.

Try to make sense next time.

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:51, faultydet said:

can anyone tell me what a single hit of crystal meth is worth on Australian streets?

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:57, faultydet said:

Actually Ethan, im fully aware that the advocates for legalization are arguing that a legal status will result in cheaper prices, therefore a lower need for crime to pay for it. I understand that, and I also agree that it would likely be an outcome of legalisation .

I am simply against ANY measure, that makes it more likely for my kids, or grandkids to use the stuff. Ok, I'm not stupid, of course they will try something, but at least if its still illegal, with big consequences for being caught, the families educations process is likely to win out, and they wont keep using.

If its socially acceptable, cheap, without immediate consequence, there is no reason for them to stop. Simple really.

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:58, faultydet said:

for $100 here, I can get enough to get 10+ people bent off their dial.

Its not cool to be sitting in a room, watching the girls spin the perfect foil pipe, all the while waiting for someone to kick down the door.

Seems like you're battling addiction as it is....

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:03, stuie said:

Seems like you're battling addiction as it is....

last person i need a lecture from is you, you fkn moron.

I wasnt going to post, but when people quote me, the temptation is too much to resist.

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:06, faultydet said:

last person i need a lecture from is you, you fkn moron.

I wasnt going to post, but when people quote me, the temptation is too much to resist.

Ohhhhhhh the irony, the delicious irony...

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:02, jabberwocky said:

If you decriminalise everything you could wipe out crime overnight.Yeah

Yeah, because a street full of meth heads wont do anything wrong.

fmd

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:07, stuie said:

Ohhhhhhh the irony, the delicious irony...

Nothing ironic at all.

Simply replying to your post

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:10, faultydet said:

Nothing ironic at all.

Simply replying to your post

So... how about that Rocket Eade fella?

Melcheski must be stoked with his career move!

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:09, faultydet said:

Yeah, because a street full of meth heads wont do anything wrong.

fmd

This guy...

  On 28/06/2015 at 12:15, Sir Why You Little said:

Melcheski must be stoked with his career move!

rischitelli wouldn't be too happy either. first the bears now the suns

  On 28/06/2015 at 11:58, faultydet said:

for $100 here, I can get enough to get 10+ people bent off their dial.

Its not cool to be sitting in a room, watching the girls spin the perfect foil pipe, all the while waiting for someone to kick down the door.

In Asia? Wouldn't want to make sweeping generalisations, like asking someone who believes in drug decriminalisation if they're a user, but sounds like you're quite accepting of the local laissez fair attitude toward prostitution.