We lost game with stupid turnovers, gave soft goals to them and a few very poor umpiring decisions, nothing to do with Roo's.

Totally agree. We gave up at least 5 or 6 goals from stupid turn overs. Gawn's kick off half back is another one off the top of my head.

And the attendance was 66,000.

Far from our worst game but am more disappointed than i usually am, i desperately wanted us to win that game for Danners

Totally agree. We gave up at least 5 or 6 goals from stupid turn overs. Gawn's kick off half back is another one off the top of my head.

And the attendance was 66,000.

it was 10 goals actually, and i'm not joking.

Collingwood are ordinary, Roos completes another week off his sentence.

Every team is conditioned better then us. I think Misson has a lot to answer for regarding our players fatiguing more then the opposition

Frustrating to lose - but we played footy that was at least watchable (compare to last year!)

Oxley hurt us and we lacked class, but the effort was solid

If we turned up like that each week we should all be happy, challenge is without the build up etc how do we go against the saints

We played a quarter and a half. We gave away so many stupid goals. Viney and Dunn kicking it straight to Collingwood players 20 metres out. Meanwhile, Gawn inexplicably tried to take a contested mark on the goal line instead of punching it through. That resulted in Fitzy throwing it and giving uo another stupid goal.

I can't recall Pedersen, Hogan, Fitzy or Gawn taking a contested mark either and we needed a bunch of them.

Oh and Gawn still doesn't have the tank for AFL. Not good enough.

Sorry but apart from one terrible turnover, Gawn showed how valuable it is to have a Ruckman who can tap to advantage and compete in the air all over the ground.

In my opinion, his game today was far better than any of Spencer's have been.

What was the attendance?

66,120

Sick of being sick of losing.

Simply just don't have enough afl quality players!

13 goals from turnovers!!!!!

Another clean out by year end!

Ten of the Magpies’ first 13 goals came from Melbourne turnovers

We really are dumb joke of a team.

Disagree with all those blaming Roos for being 'out-coached'.

Teams leave loose men in back halves regularly. Our problem was not that we needed a man to go to Oaxley. Our problem was that we have too many players who refuse to think when the ball is in their hands...

You can't just bang it on the boot when there is a loose man back. That's under 10's stuff. How [censored] hard is it for players to think a little?

We lost the game simply because of a lack of skill and decision making from players throughout our team. That should be obvious to everyone.

Have one glance at the goals Collingwood scored from turnovers.

Fitzpatrick, Dunn, McDonald, Pederson. These players all made unbelievably embarrassing errors. Sure it's forgivable for one or two players to make one blunder a game. But when you have a handful of blokes consistently making terrible decisions and poorly executing them then you know your team is in trouble.

Even good teams bomb it in against Collingwood because they apply pressure and make them do that.

We are not a good team. I know that, you know it and Roos knows it. I haven't seen the i50 count but it felt more even than usual, if Oxley was manned up he wouldn't have easily marked everything, and we could've crumbed it or locked it in. It was a simple and obvious move and I'm staggered that it was never made.

Of course his response on 360 is going to be "well you know they had Clokey on fire down there so we had to keep someone camped in front of him..."

My response is no we had a good chance to win, even with all the turnovers, and you should've made them worry about our forward line rather than worry about theirs, at least at a later go-time stage FFS.

Same problem as usual,too many VFL players in the line up.The sooner they are culled from the team,the more matches we will win.

AAAAARRRRGGGGHHH

I HATE THEM

Gawn was ok. Others weren't

Totally agree. We gave up at least 5 or 6 goals from stupid turn overs. Gawn's kick off half back is another one off the top of my head.

And the attendance was 66,000.

That's it, just those couple small moments in the game cost us.

Watts fumble 25m straight in front early that turned into a Filth goal, Fitzys ridiculous tunnel ball attempt and Dunnys kick in shank all massively cost us.

Unfortunately with Oxley, the only way we could man him up was to take away the spare man back in front of Cloke who played the best game for years... and WTF was with him kicking straight for once??

Anyway, lots of positives out of the day but still a bit devastated.

Massive crush on young Gus. He will be special

The main concern for me is our complete lack of skill level from players all over the ground.

I had no issue whatsoever with our effort today.

But holy [censored].

Nathan Jones must be pulling his hair out at some of the comical errors being made time and time again.

Salem's kicking is sorely missed and it's a major concern that we haven't really added another elite kick to our side since we drafted him.

Lost in the coaches box.

Got a red hot Garlett waiting for anything to hit the ground, yet we leave Oxley on his own to mark everything.

He should've been manned up, or lined up and smashed.

Apart from that I was happy enough with the overall effort.

This.

Although Roos will probably blame our 2009 losses for today.

By the way, Fitzpatrick may have just thrown his career away. Lame pun intended.

Oxley this week, Ebert last week.

Roos is just not a good match day coach. Misses the most obvious tactical moves that every supporter can see. Terrible at the selection table too.

Sorry but apart from one terrible turnover, Gawn showed how valuable it is to have a Ruckman who can tap to advantage and compete in the air all over the ground.

In my opinion, his game today was far better than any of Spencer's have been.

Gawn played a brilliant second quarter. He got involved around the ground and won about 6 or 7 tap outs to advantage. He was pretty much unsighted in the last and I needs to take park marks. The good ruckman do. If he could play four quarters to the standard of the second term he'd be one of our most important players, but he's never been able to run out a game.

Watch the game and count how many goals they got from direct turnovers. Oh and who was kicking it to Oxley.

Oxley marked because of rushed long kicks forward because we didn't have a one on one match up.

Skill errors were a result of Collingwood pressure and lack of skill on our end.

Those cannot be avoided, Oxley as a loose could have,

Even good teams bomb it in against Collingwood because they apply pressure and make them do that.

We are not a good team. I know that, you know it and Roos knows it. I haven't seen the i50 count but it felt more even than usual, if Oxley was manned up he wouldn't have easily marked everything, and we could've crumbed it or locked it in. It was a simple and obvious move and I'm staggered that it was never made.

Of course his response on 360 is going to be "well you know they had Clokey on fire down there so we had to keep someone camped in front of him..."

My response is no we had a good chance to win, even with all the turnovers, and you should've made them worry about our forward line rather than worry about theirs, at least at a later go-time stage FFS.

Regardless, do you think we still would have won the game with all the other turnovers we caused resulting in goals for them?

It's not as simple as just putting a bloke on Oxley. Maybe Roos thought it would be more important to have an extra number around the ball and if so the onus is on the players themselves to realise you cannot consistently bang it on the boot inside 50 without looking.

This is the [censored] AFL. You need to be able to retain possession at times.

It's an imbalance in attributes. We have a lack of skill level and decision making throughout the team. Plain and simple.

It's not Roos.

We were the better side for the middle two quarters but we couldn't capitalise because we continually made critical errors leading to Collingwood goals.

Garland, Dunn and Lumumba all did some things right, but all made horrendous mistakes when we had momentum. We can't progress as a team when this continues to happen.

N Jones, Vince, Cross, Brayshaw and Viney were immense. Newton and Riley tackled hard but otherwise offered us little. M Jones was awful - has absolutely no football instinct. Pedersen also opened the door for Dawes, I wouldn't be surprised to see that switch made.

The main concern for me is our complete lack of skill level from players all over the ground.

I had no issue whatsoever with our effort today.

But holy [censored].

Nathan Jones must be pulling his hair out at some of the comical errors being made time and time again.

Salem's kicking is sorely missed and it's a major concern that we haven't really added another elite kick to our side since we drafted him.

ahhhhh so that's what happened...

We weren't outcoached.

Collingwood scored 12 goals off turnovers. 12!

So many of the goals were so dumb. Collingwood is very average and beatable and they were not a 4-goal better side today. Instead we made them look so good by handing them goals.

cloak, 7 straight?

We have a new recipient of the Kent Kingsley Award For Spuds Who Play Well Against Melbourne.

The prince had a shocker and constantly tries to do too much. Losing Vanders was also massive!