You would hope that we respectfully offer Jones fair market value. Being exploited for your loyalty leaves a bad taste in the mouth and is a real culture killer.

i'm not disagreeing with you, but there would be a lot of hawks and swans players not paid fair market value and their culture seems strong

it could also be said that most demon players are already paid overs and that didn't help our culture

having said that jonesy deserves fair market value simply because he has earned it

He was a little too comfortable about Clarke abandoning the club then what I'd like...

Every chance the club was waiting to see who was incoming before their final financial offer

My suggestion - pay everyone else what they are worth. That should leave us comfortably under the salary cap.

Then pay the rest to Jones as a re-signing bonus

I think you're on to something here GTB contracts on base level for all including Jones with performance bonus based on this years requirement to get him to resign for 3 yearsand past performance.to balance of salary cap.

This allows us to recognise his considerable value to the club but signals other players that they must perform to get a larger salary than base.

If they do perform and we make progress next contract with Jones we may agree that we cant afford him or he may agree that he has been well rewarded financially and will be better rewarded with a flag.

He was a little too comfortable about Clarke abandoning the club then what I'd like...

You do understand that Jones is a player as opposed to us being supporters (redundant question).

I fully understand players supporting other players irrespective of how we see it. Players are professional footballers and no matter how much we want them to think "club first" it is their livelihood and they will always more understanding about the trials and tribulations of their fellow players than we will. We write players off the minute they leave the club - players don't do that to fellow players. You only have to look at what I think was Josh Gibson wedding on the weekend with Buddy partying up with his ex team mates.

You do understand that Jones is a player as opposed to us being supporters (redundant question).

I fully understand players supporting other players irrespective of how we see it. Players are professional footballers and no matter how much we want them to think "club first" it is their livelihood and they will always more understanding about the trials and tribulations of their fellow players than we will. We write players off the minute they leave the club - players don't do that to fellow players. You only have to look at what I think was Josh Gibson wedding on the weekend with Buddy partying up with his ex team mates.

I do understand that NB and often defend players in that they only have one career and have to make hay while the sun is shining. My comment was a little tongue in cheek, but also an acknowledgment that Jones (the legend) is all to aware of the same things that we speak of.

You know, players can love the club and still be friends with the players who have made career decisions spurning the club.

Junior was shown the door inappropriately. Player turnover has been monumental in the last three years. Where does the loyalty start and end?

I am not condoning how Mitch Clark spent his last few months at the club - but I am proud of the fact that the club, the whole club, didn't embarrass itself with false platitudes about loyalty and 'sticking fat' the way that other clubs have done - namely, the Lions when Rockliff chastised the 'mommies boys'...

And here we are a year later and he is teammates with Dayne Beams - why did he come to your club, Tom?

Nathan should be offered at 5 year x $600,000 contract, nothing less. Loyalty and performance. Nothing too straining. He is a 3 x B&F winner and captain.

FULL STOP. GET IT DONE NOW.

Nathan should be offered at 5 year x $600,000 contract, nothing less. Loyalty and performance. Nothing too straining. He is a 3 x B&F winner and captain.

FULL STOP. GET IT DONE NOW.

Not too sure he wouldn't get that at any club..the clubs that are playing in finals year in and year out.

Nathan should be offered at 5 year x $600,000 contract, nothing less. Loyalty and performance. Nothing too straining. He is a 3 x B&F winner and captain.

FULL STOP. GET IT DONE NOW.

He would get that at another club.

That is 6% of the cap in 2014. If I was his agent, I would sign him up until the CBA has expired and the new TV deal gets signed.

Who knows what the cap will be in a few years time...

I've grown to really admire Jones over his career. His improvement these last few years, in his football and leadership commands a decent sized contract. We've got to pay someone the big bucks, and Jones is it.

He'll sign soon enough.

Pretty sure Moon was taking the pizz binman

As was i

Any player who now goes into a contract negotiation should say "Tom Boyd's getting $7 million".

Not saying Jones should get that much, just that Boyd's contract re-aligns what players can now demand.

Jones is worth what any club would pay to take him. We need to make sure our offer is no different.

The big point of difference here is that Boyd is a KF prospect. KPPs are always more highly sought after as a commodity, than a dime a dozen midfielder. I love the way Jonesy plays, but the position he plays in has to be factored into the contract, as does the captaincy mind you.

He would get that at another club.

That is 6% of the cap in 2014. If I was his agent, I would sign him up until the CBA has expired and the new TV deal gets signed.

Who knows what the cap will be in a few years time...

Yes, 6% of the cap. 16 players like that and no cap! What I'm hearing is around the high 500's, that is the point of difference at the moment as well as the term.

Yes, 6% of the cap. 16 players like that and no cap! What I'm hearing is around the high 500's, that is the point of difference at the moment as well as the term.

If we had 16 Nathan Jones' running around - we wouldn't need another 2 players on the field, let alone 30 on the list...

Yes, 6% of the cap. 16 players like that and no cap! What I'm hearing is around the high 500's, that is the point of difference at the moment as well as the term.

MFC better not F this up because they are not offering enough $ or term.

It will really grate me if he leaves because of this.

MFC better not F this up because they are not offering enough $ or term.

It will really grate me if he leaves because of this.

Suffering MFCSS?

Suffering MFCSS?

No suffering from reality chook.

Don't worry about what we pay him, the club accountants will figure it out.

Just keep him. Whatever it takes.

He is the heart and soul of this club.

No suffering from reality chook.

While we can't afford to lose Chunk I think our club is on the right track and he doesn't strike me as the sort of chap to walk away from the challenge at hand.

Don't worry about what we pay him, the club accountants will figure it out.

Just keep him. Whatever it takes.

He is the heart and soul of this club.

Did you just post something positive Jaded?

I'm astonished. You've been so down the past few weeks. One might say... a little... jaded?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry for that.

i'm not so sure he will attract big overs offers from other clubs, purely because he is a midfielder and they are a common commodity

i don't put him in the mould of a judd, ablett or dangerfield who would be exceptions

the fa's who attract the real overs are those who can fill strategic roles where there are not many of their type

i don't think mfc need to pay overs here, just a fair evaluation of his worth

Make no mistake, Chunk may not have made the AA team but his stats are right up there with the elite of the competition. IMO he is easily in the top 15-20 midfielders in the comp and plenty of clubs will want him.

He will get offers and he will have to make the decision to stay for either less money or less chance of success. I think he will make that call but then I thought the same about Chip.

Make no mistake, Chunk may not have made the AA team but his stats are right up there with the elite of the competition. IMO he is easily in the top 15-20 midfielders in the comp and plenty of clubs will want him.

He will get offers and he will have to make the decision to stay for either less money or less chance of success. I think he will make that call but then I thought the same about Chip.

I reckon he'd be AA with better midfielders around him.

Yes, 6% of the cap. 16 players like that and no cap! What I'm hearing is around the high 500's, that is the point of difference at the moment as well as the term.

I'm staggered MFC is even debating this! We have plenty of cap room in 2015 so front end it!!

The average payment with a $10m cap is $250K. I could give payment patterns to show the cap is not an issue going forward. Suffice to say there will always be new low paid players to offset valuable high paid players and the cap will automatically go up over time.

On the contract 'term'. He will be 27 next Jan. 4+1 years takes him to 32 in his last year. So 5 years seems a very small risk to the club.

Jonesy will (rightly IMO) be mighty peeved if he has to accept high 500's so we can get a 'star FA' @ $1m for 5-7 years. I wouldn't blame Jonesy for walking away - Crikey he does all the hard yards just so some FA comes along and collects. No way Jose! If we think that Jonesy can't get more than the high 500's + 5 years somewhere else we are kidding ourselves. eg. GCS would take him in a heartbeat to support young midfield (Ablett will be 32 in 2016). Plenty of surfing up there!

Lets remember, if Jonesy walks next year and we get a 'star FA' there will be NO FA compo pick for Jonesy!! The FA's more than offset.

Pay what it takes to keep him, MFC and stop mucking him around!

Relax all. My mail today is its in the bag. Spoke with GB. There is a riddle for you!

Relax all. My mail today is its in the bag. Spoke with GB. There is a riddle for you!

When will it be announced Demoneyes?