Roos at Sydney showed that there are plenty of players looking ordinary that can be helped to thrive in the right environment. Ted Richards and Josh Kennedy are the two that stick out in my mind.

Doesn't mean we need to look at every struggler in the game, but we should at least be on the lookout. You're right in that there's always a risk that they'll be rubbish here if they're rubbish there, doesn't mean we shouldn't look though.

And developing underachievers from outside doesn't mean we can't develop our own at the same time as we have with Neville Jetta. I reckon most of ours are lost causes though.

I think it's a case of targeting players who have talent but for whatever reason can't get a game which is what Sydney have done well.

Not particularly smart bloke, makes dumb decisions, in & outside of footy.

I think meatheads like him don't normally do great things in football.

Like Sylvia, will always have great attributes to play the game, but probably won't put it together mentally.

As for Schroder, he won the cats vfl b&f, but will likely get delisted or traded.

Without name dropping, word from those at the club who should know are that he's a poor handballer and he has a nice kick but it rarely hits a target. Also, winning the b&f is actually seen as negative rather than a positive thing by those blokes, because it means you've simply been playing far too much footy in the 2s, and even consistent form in the 2s hasn't got you elevated because there are serious flaws in your game.

Gawn won the Casey B&F didn't he?

Gawn won the Casey B&F didn't he?

Gawn would be the exception to that rule. He played 8 games at the team that came 15th in the VFL (shows how bad Casey is that Gawn won the b&f playing in 8/20 games).

Somehow digging for gold in under-achievers brings this song to my mind - hope I'm wrong!

Who are the highly rated juniors that haven't lived up to their promise for whatever reason (not on the MFC list) that can be targetted.

A couple of recent examples would be Dom Tyson and Jared Polec.

Gary Rohan would have been another, his stocks will have risen significantly tonight.

Reading the heading re taegetting under achievers begs the question - hasn't this been our strategy all along?

Does Christian Howard from the Dogs fit the agenda.

Delisted player ... a first round choice in 2009.

Shock selection at the time, Howard.

Don't reckon he's the one.

Howard and Footscray are proof positive that we are not the only club who routinely stuff first round picks up.

Howard and Footscray are proof positive that we are not the only club who routinely stuff first round picks up.

Not as bad as Tambling.

Not as bad as Tambling.

Tambling? Yeah that was bad but lets not forget our own backyard in Cale Morton.

Atleast Tambling played over 100 games.

I reckon Josh Walker could be handy.

Billie Smedts would fall into that category I reckon. As would the obvious O'Rourke

NO. my hugely devoted Cat supporting friends think this guy is an absolute stinker. They would love us to take him off their hands. They even call something or someone a "smedt" if they/it are a bit "crrrrrraaaappp"

I reckon Josh Walker could be handy.

Great hands. He is Geelong through and through though.

Watched him in the tac cup years ago. Could not believe he slipped through the ND. I even started a thread here on him.

Great athlete.

Somehow digging for gold in under-achievers brings this song to my mind - hope I'm wrong!

liam anthony apparently set to be delisted by the kangas. only played 4 games this year, not many last year, after a pretty impressive 2009-2012.

liam anthony apparently set to be delisted by the kangas. only played 4 games this year, not many last year, after a pretty impressive 2009-2012.

He's a worse kick than Terlich

If we dig for gold we would be more likely to find Coprolite.

Shaun McKernan?

Shaun McKernan?

I mentioned McKernan in another thread after he was delisted.

Before looking at his statistics, I thought I could remember a season where he kicked a few bags. Clearly I was thinking of somebody else - McKernan would be a no for me.

Shaun McKernan?

Could do a lot worse as he showed promise early or he could just end up as another James Sellar.

You've gotta be kidding. McKernan is a spud.

Andrew Gaff?

he's not an underachiever, and he's signed a new deal with meth coke during the year, i believe?