Fair enough but the difference with that is Judd had said he wanted to go Carlton so Westcoast were almost forced to accept the deal, which isn't really a bad one but in terms of Judds quality at the time they probably felt they could have got more from sides with better picks to trade with (if there were any at the time)

There isn't that much difference, PD wants to come back to Victoria & Adelaide are bent over a barrel as they will only recieve one pick next year if he leaves under free agency. What is another club going to offer for Dangerfield that trumps our offer? That is the real question. Work the deal backwards from there & only offer what you have to give.

Don't think we are going to get Danger, but if I was in charge I would go with something like this:

Pick 2 and 3 plus Toump for Danger, pick 10 and 3rd rounder

We could then trade pick 10 plus Watts to Sydney for Mitchell and their 1st or 2nd rounder.

Ahh I can only dream !!

I agree, that sounds fair to me.

Although I'd probably prefer Picks 2, 3 & Toumpas for Dangerfield, Lyons & Pick 10.

We can then use Pick 10 to draft a young mid, or look to trade it for someone like O'Rourke with Frost.

There isn't that much difference, PD wants to come back to Victoria & Adelaide are bent over a barrel as they will only recieve one pick next year if he leaves under free agency. What is another club going to offer for Dangerfield that trumps our offer? That is the real question. Work the deal backwards from there & only offer what you have to give.

That is a good point, but we aren't sure if the Danger rumours are true, although they could be and if they are then you've got me beat on this one.

I guess the way I am looking at it is that if Danger doesn't say he wants to go anywhere then what would we have to offer to make Adelaide accept the trade ?

That is a good point, but we aren't sure if the Danger rumours are true, although they could be and if they are then you've got me beat on this one.

I guess the way I am looking at it is that if Danger doesn't say he wants to go anywhere then what would we have to offer to make Adelaide accept the trade ?

If Danger doesn't want to come back to Victoria there is no point discussing the trade as you would be paying overs for someone who doesn't want to be here anyway. The bargaining chip is that he wants to come home, this reduces the price you have to pay. If he doesn't there is no pressure for Adelaide to deal & the deal is off.

If Danger doesn't want to come back to Victoria there is no point discussing the trade as you would be paying overs for someone who doesn't want to be here anyway. The bargaining chip is that he wants to come home, this reduces the price you have to pay. If he doesn't there is no pressure for Adelaide to deal & the deal is off.

Just because he might not want to leave Adelaide doesn't mean he would want to stay if they accepted to trade him.

Imagine if your girlfriend told you she was dumping for you for another guy, your not going to stick around knowing that she wants to be with some other bloke.

If Adelaide accept the offer then why would he want to stay there knowing that they have decided to go on without him ? Plus we would offer him an anus load of $$$ !!

Like how another club is trying to poach Mitch Clark?

Yeah, about that angry.

This competition is all about number one. If Dangerfield is open to talks and we aren't talking, we shouldn't be competing at this level.

At least Crows have made some return on their investment, us 15 games... Ffs so disappointing.

Danger has expressed (maybe not publically) a desire to return to Melbourne (city) for the 2nd half of his career.... much like Judd. He has publically and openly refused to entertain an extension to his current contract. He is at least entertaining MFCs approaches, which is now a MFC offer. No doubt he is also entertaining other clubs offers. He is highly likely to leave Adelaide .

Danger has expressed (maybe not publically) a desire to return to Melbourne (city) for the 2nd half of his career.... much like Judd. He has publically and openly refused to entertain an extension to his current contract. He is at least entertaining MFCs approaches, which is now a MFC offer. No doubt he is also entertaining other clubs offers. He is highly likely to leave Adelaide .

and by the sounds of things our offer is huge, and it would be very unlikely any other side could match it or the trade assets we have to get the deal done, the MFC would now be banking on the crows starting to panic and wanting to take the best deal on the table

GNF, do you know if Roosy has gone to adelade to speak to danger in person?

Just because he might not want to leave Adelaide doesn't mean he would want to stay if they accepted to trade him.

Imagine if your girlfriend told you she was dumping for you for another guy, your not going to stick around knowing that she wants to be with some other bloke.

If Adelaide accept the offer then why would he want to stay there knowing that they have decided to go on without him ? Plus we would offer him an anus load of $$$ !!

Ok. I'm just of the opinion of not paying overs for anyone when there are other deals possibly available such as the Tyson trade last year. I'd rather use the picks for other options & cover more holes in the list than what you were proposing. I most likely wouldn't offer anything more than pick 3, a player & a pick not in the first round.

How many Tyson's do you think there are hiding on lists throughout the league?

A star like Dangerfield will bring a lot to our side, make players around him better, exponentially lifting the standard.

Danger will be in Melbourne either tomorrow or Thursday.

How many Tyson's do you think there are hiding on lists throughout the league?

A star like Dangerfield will bring a lot to our side, make players around him better, exponentially lifting the standard.

100% agree, take the heat right off Jones and Tyson and lets the young guys develop watching a fully fledged superstar of the game go to work up close

Danger would have a massive flow on effect to the rest of the team. Just imagine Viney and Salem learning from he and Jones on field, under Roos' tutelage. Exciting stuff!

It would be a massive coup having one of the most high profile stars of the game coming to our club.

How many Tyson's do you think there are hiding on lists throughout the league?

A star like Dangerfield will bring a lot to our side, make players around him better, exponentially lifting the standard.

Roos seemed to manage ok without getting a star like Dangerfield to Sydney, admittedly he had some pretty handy players like goodes already. No point selling the farm for one player that blows out your entire trade period. If Dangerfield is available for a decent price all well & good.

Roos seemed to manage ok without getting a star like Dangerfield to Sydney, admittedly he had some pretty handy players like goodes already. No point selling the farm for one player that blows out your entire trade period. If Dangerfield is available for a decent price all well & good.

he did have adam goodes, dual brownlow medallist, don't desperately need A graders when you already have some.

Ok. I'm just of the opinion of not paying overs for anyone when there are other deals possibly available such as the Tyson trade last year. I'd rather use the picks for other options & cover more holes in the list than what you were proposing. I most likely wouldn't offer anything more than pick 3, a player & a pick not in the first round.

That's fair enough.

Not sure we need to give up too much for him. Pick 2/3 is surely enough, if we throw in the Toump, I'd want 10 back.

If we can't get the deal done, and he wants the Dees, we wait a year and he walks as a free agent?

Article from the start of the year... a lot of talk about success doesn't put us in a great spot...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/patrick-dangerfield-to-weigh-up-adelaide-prospects-20140319-hvkhj.html

Not sure we need to give up too much for him. Pick 2/3 is surely enough, if we throw in the Toump, I'd want 10 back.

If we can't get the deal done, and he wants the Dees, we wait a year and he walks as a free agent?

If he is out of contract at the moment then our only chance would be to make an offer he can't refuse - an obscene one along the lines of the one GWS gave Voldemort or Sydney gave Buddy. The offer that the Crows can't match and would leave them to negotiate the best deal they possibly can. I wouldn't worry about the success factor - a marque player like Dangerfield would likely have an enormous effect and lift the rest of the team.

I remain a sceptic but it's possible if Clark and Frawley are off our books.

If he is out of contract at the moment then our only chance would be to make an offer he can't refuse - an obscene one along the lines of the one GWS gave Voldemort or Sydney gave Buddy. The offer that the Crows can't match and would leave them to negotiate the best deal they possibly can.

1 mil plus and 6-7 years would be our best and only chance I reckon

Your giving up 3 potential superstars for one.

This is how I look at it:

- Toumpas' value as a 'pick 4 potential superstar' has depreciated to half.

- Pick 10 in 'potential superstar' currency is worth half of Pick 2

so it becomes 2 potential superstars for Dangerfield

a potential superstar with a top 3 pick is probably about a 50-50

so its one star for another which is about right

sounds like I'm stuffing around, but I only half am

7 years at 1.1m, front loaded? Gives him 2 years with Roos and reunites him with his old captain as the succeeding coach.

Haha, we can dream!

If he is out of contract at the moment then our only chance would be to make an offer he can't refuse - an obscene one along the lines of the one GWS gave Voldemort or Sydney gave Buddy. The offer that the Crows can't match and would leave them to negotiate the best deal they possibly can. I wouldn't worry about the success factor - a marque player like Dangerfield would likely have an enormous effect and lift the rest of the team.

I remain a sceptic but it's possible if Clark and Frawley are off our books.

'Jack', you've been around long enough to know this doesn't work.

I have no doubt about our capacity to pay.

My question really concerns our capacity to attract.

Then again, if anyone can do it, Roos can.

Toumpas is not a draft pick and nor is any other AFL listed player.

Just like every other player they need to be rated on there performances and what they look to be able to deliver. The fact that Toumpas was a high pick means nothing now and what he has shown on the field has been average at the very best. Injurys and playing in a crummy team and blah blah blah, he hasn't delivered in the AFL. And in my opinion he does not have the power or speed to be a high quality player in the future. Therefore I believe the trade I proposed is decent for both parties if Adelaide wanted to trade Danger.

Similar to Scully. No chance in hell he would go at 1 now