Im sure Roos is seeing the mistakes too, and will be trying to coach it out of him, his positives out weigh his negatives,

Im sure Roos is seeing the mistakes too, and will be trying to coach it out of him, his positives out weigh his negatives,

concise

Roos has turned a few players around hasn't he?

Do those that think Grimes should be dropped ready for what he would be replaced by?

His footy smarts are up there, his execution of late looks confidence-less but he is most-definitely someone you persist with.

Realistically, who is pushing him at Casey? No one. He'll stay in this year and either way, Roos would probably persist with him anyway. I think he can be a great reader of the play, but he's got pretty much zero footy smarts with ball in hand. Some of that's confidence, some of that is simply Grimes. But he's got to get it out of his game and bloody quickly. Everyone else is making strides, but the bloke who is supposed to be leading.

Edited June 1, 201411 yr by AdamFarr

concise

Concise and true, rather than the five or six pages of 'heroes' spouting off

I nearly broke my hand on the table when he turned it over, but all the work off the ball and his putting his body in harms way, and marshalling the defence compensates for the mistakes

He will fix these up

nearly broke my hand on the table when he turned it over

Not your typing hand, thank god.

(couldn't resist)

Not your typing hand, thank god.

(couldn't resist)

I use both hands to type actually, not like some on here who need one hand to hold something else whilst typing...couldn't resist

Edited June 1, 201411 yr by Satyriconhome

Very poor game from Grimes today....he has always been overrated in my opinion

Great guy obviously, but that alone does not win footy at AFL level

some shocking clangers today cost us goals...

I agree with you WYL...Grimesy is overated...

Apparently he is a great bloke & does have a go..but to me he should never have the pressure of captaincy & doesnt lead or play like a captain IMO. That alone should be with Jonesy who leads & plays as a captain should!

I see Grimesy's blunders every week...it frustrates me greatly.

He is still a good defender but no better than good & makes way to many mistakes for a guy with so many games under his belt..

Realistically, who is pushing him at Casey? No one. He'll stay in this year and either way, Roos would probably persist with him anyway. I think he can be a great reader of the play, but he's got pretty much zero footy smarts with ball in hand. Some of that's confidence, some of that is simply Grimes. But he's got to get it out of his game and bloody quickly. Everyone else is making strides, but the bloke who is supposed to be leading.

His right fist has already won a game this season.

Fans are ball watchers and concentrate too much on the clangers - I do it myself with my view of Matt Jones. But what MJ brings is a boldness and quickness to a pretty slow set of midfielders.

Grimes brings a hard edge and defensive smarts to a backline that is overworked and under appreciated by most outside of this board.

And can we just stop the insinuations that the 'best' player has to be the leader? Leadership comes from, and out in, the work you don't see so readily every week when you are watching the footy go back and forth.

Our defence this season is lauded but Dunn, McDonald, and Howe seem to be where the reasons for this stop. Jetta beats his bloke for a month and his close to being included, but because Terlich and Grimes turn it over they are not included in the kudos?

It's my experience that your backline is only as good as your weakest link and that all 6 (or 7) have to be performing as a well drilled unit.

Grimes is apart of that is he not?

Relax, he has the goods, respected by all in the club as Player/Co Captain and is growing with the team, his attack will come back and delivery's will hit the target, confidence will return..Roos and Grimes will be discussing this right now, this morning, sure of it...

Edited June 2, 201411 yr by All the Jacks

Every mistake is an opportunity to learn and improve. He will be okay. The gods have ordained it. He will enter into the hallowed halls of football legend and take his place among the other immortals from the MFC.

The prophets have spoken!

Every mistake is an opportunity to learn and improve. He will be okay. The gods have ordained it. He will enter into the hallowed halls of football legend and take his place among the other immortals from the MFC.

The prophets have spoken!

Are you sure that's not the wine speaking?

His right fist has already won a game this season.

Fans are ball watchers and concentrate too much on the clangers - I do it myself with my view of Matt Jones. But what MJ brings is a boldness and quickness to a pretty slow set of midfielders.

Grimes brings a hard edge and defensive smarts to a backline that is overworked and under appreciated by most outside of this board.

And can we just stop the insinuations that the 'best' player has to be the leader? Leadership comes from, and out in, the work you don't see so readily every week when you are watching the footy go back and forth.

Our defence this season is lauded but Dunn, McDonald, and Howe seem to be where the reasons for this stop. Jetta beats his bloke for a month and his close to being included, but because Terlich and Grimes turn it over they are not included in the kudos?

It's my experience that your backline is only as good as your weakest link and that all 6 (or 7) have to be performing as a well drilled unit.

Grimes is apart of that is he not?

I've already conceded that Terlich has improved in the last few weeks. He still turns it over too much, but I can see him making strides, however small, they are visible. Haven't seen Grimes improve for many years, but would love anything to hang my hat on, besides blind optimism or faith in the 'captain'. I understand we're not out there, but I think it's a folly to say we're all ball watchers. I know I've said this before, but it's not just his clangers, it's his kicking or handballing (see decision making) that puts his team mates under pressure that is overlooked, IMO. You're right. Some people look at clangers as the be all and end all. It's clearly more complex than that.

And you don't win a game with your fist, however brilliant that fist may have been. I'll say it again, the fact that this one moment is consistently lauded as his one shining effort this season is damning.

His right fist has already won a game this season.

Fans are ball watchers and concentrate too much on the clangers - I do it myself with my view of Matt Jones. But what MJ brings is a boldness and quickness to a pretty slow set of midfielders.

Grimes brings a hard edge and defensive smarts to a backline that is overworked and under appreciated by most outside of this board.

And can we just stop the insinuations that the 'best' player has to be the leader? Leadership comes from, and out in, the work you don't see so readily every week when you are watching the footy go back and forth.

Our defence this season is lauded but Dunn, McDonald, and Howe seem to be where the reasons for this stop. Jetta beats his bloke for a month and his close to being included, but because Terlich and Grimes turn it over they are not included in the kudos?

It's my experience that your backline is only as good as your weakest link and that all 6 (or 7) have to be performing as a well drilled unit.

Grimes is apart of that is he not?

It's hard not to be when you're watching on the telly.

I hate interstate games, because you see so much less of what is really going on.

It shouldn't really be any surprise that the journos get away with writing what they do, when we see everything through their eyes, the things they want to show us, unless we go to the matches ourselves.

I've already conceded that Terlich has improved in the last few weeks. He still turns it over too much, but I can see him making strides, however small, they are visible. Haven't seen Grimes improve for many years, but would love anything to hang my hat on, besides blind optimism or faith in the 'captain'. I understand we're not out there, but I think it's a folly to say we're all ball watchers. I know I've said this before, but it's not just his clangers, it's his kicking or handballing (see decision making) that puts his team mates under pressure that is overlooked, IMO. You're right. Some people look at clangers as the be all and end all. It's clearly more complex than that.

And you don't win a game with your fist, however brilliant that fist may have been. I'll say it again, the fact that this one moment is consistently lauded as his one shining effort this season is damning.

No that was outstanding, and deserves to be lauded, but the defenders of Grimes (myself included) have seen him put his body on the line on numerous occasions, the marshalling of the defence, the leadership he displays at training, he is actually playing game after game himself for a change, it is not surprise that the defence as a unit has gone up a level again

Are you sure that's not the wine speaking?

My gods speak to me through single malt whisky and good red wine.

God is in the bottle!

Deus ex Butticula

Edited June 2, 201411 yr by Crawf52

I've already conceded that Terlich has improved in the last few weeks. He still turns it over too much, but I can see him making strides, however small, they are visible. Haven't seen Grimes improve for many years, but would love anything to hang my hat on, besides blind optimism or faith in the 'captain'. I understand we're not out there, but I think it's a folly to say we're all ball watchers. I know I've said this before, but it's not just his clangers, it's his kicking or handballing (see decision making) that puts his team mates under pressure that is overlooked, IMO. You're right. Some people look at clangers as the be all and end all. It's clearly more complex than that.

And you don't win a game with your fist, however brilliant that fist may have been. I'll say it again, the fact that this one moment is consistently lauded as his one shining effort this season is damning.

It's an example.

He is a part of a defence that has seen the 'Inside 50s allowed' decline slightly but the average points against recede dramatically.

He can improve, but saying something as insincere and damning as 'he is not Nathan Jones' bootlace' doesn't help your argument.

If we are 2 points up against the pies with 30 seconds to go I just hope he is nowhere near the ball or worse someone gives it to him. Just make sure his opponent doesn't get near the ball as well, thats all I ask.

Edited June 2, 201411 yr by america de cali

I would give Grimes or Terlich a defensive forward run with role this week on Clint Young. He was the pies distributer on Friday night, set up a lot of play from half back.

Spot on, P. He's played 78 games now...

I wouldn't surprised if two elite kicking half backs are on our shopping list for this off season...

Out of interest that is less games than jack Watts!

For the record I agree we will be chasing elite kicking, hard working half backs.

But my take on Grimes is that he is a hard worker and one of the best readers of the play in the team. It is just the brain fades that let him down, they are glaring.

My gods speak to me through single malt whisky and good red wine.

God is in the bottle!

Deus ex Butticula

Just the right spirit Reverend !

No that was outstanding, and deserves to be lauded, but the defenders of Grimes (myself included) have seen him put his body on the line on numerous occasions, the marshalling of the defence, the leadership he displays at training, he is actually playing game after game himself for a change, it is not surprise that the defence as a unit has gone up a level again

Yep, Grimes does put his body on the line. No one's saying he doesn't. I'm certainly not.

It's an example.

He is a part of a defence that has seen the 'Inside 50s allowed' decline slightly but the average points against recede dramatically.

He can improve, but saying something as insincere and damning as 'he is not Nathan Jones' bootlace' doesn't help your argument.

Well, we can agree that he needs to improve.

We do have a tendency around here to find a whipping boy that we can all work our frustrations out on.
Jack does need to clean up his disposal on occasions BUT I'm not sure that this requires omission from the team.

To drop a captain is a pretty big call and one which is made after a lot of reflection. You drop your captain and reality says he won't return to the team full stop (as he will probably leave the club full stop). He stays for the foreseeable future for me.

Edited June 2, 201411 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

We do have a tendency around here to find a whipping boy that we can all work our frustrations out on.

Jack does need to clean up his disposal on occasions BUT I'm not sure that this requires omission from the team.

To drop a captain is a pretty big call and one which is made after a lot of reflection. You drop your captain and reality says he won't return to the team full stop (as he will probably leave the club full stop). He stays for the foreseeable future for me.

You mean there is a choice CBF?

You mean there is a choice CBF?

Now I come to think about it, we need to drop his ass right now and proceed to vilify him for the next 4 years ala Cale Morton.

Now I come to think about it, we need to drop his ass right now and proceed to vilify him for the next 4 years ala Cale Morton.

Now you are getting the idea, definite spud. Trade bait I reckon!