Players to target at the end of the year

[hulkhogan666 142]

Has anyone kicked 36 goals in a season for us this decade? I can't recall

No, doesn't make him glorious though. As I said, what has he done since then? F all. Even my best mate who bleeds yellow and black hates him.

[PaulRB 6,362]

Has anyone kicked 36 goals in a season for us this decade? I can't recall

Liam Jurrah kicked 40 in 18 games in 2011.

P.s. Vickey = spud. Reminds me of Dutchy, another ex-tigers forward type...

Edited June 24, 2014 by PaulRB

[rjay 24,917]

Liam Jurrah kicked 40 in 18 games in 2011.

P.s. Vickey = spud. Reminds me of Dutchy, another ex-tigers forward type...

A bit of a sook when things don't go his way which is often...

[Pipefitter 2,159]

Vickery is a poor mans Josh Fraser. I didn't even think that was possible.

We need some skill in the back line, although if we can boost our midfield again Vince could move to the back flank.

[chook fowler 19,458]

No not Vickery - would rather recruit Daisy Pearce

[jacey 333]

Liam Sumner from GWS and Jesse Lonergan at GC.

Contracted so we will have to trade ala Dom Tyson but both talented and shown enough in limited AFL games. GWS and Suns have monster midfielders so if they want top billings, they'll have to move.

Gladly give our second pick. Which might be high 20's?

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

Mitch hallihan

[Deemotivated 550]

Mitch hallihan

Buyer beware... Shane Savage was also a fringe mid at hawks and he's been awful for saints. Just because he's at hawks doesn't mean he's great.

[samcantstandya 1,045]

He is a good player and i wouldn't be disappointed if he came to the MFC, i just think the asking price would be too high..

I'd consider Levi Casboult from the blues, for our third rounder... There is something about the way he plays, that makes me think he will dominate matches in a couple of years.. When he's playing well, he has on field presence .. Could be a handy Chris Dawes replacement...

I'd also consider picking up Matthew Watson as a rookie, if they delist him this year...

Neither Casboult or watson are up to it and Gibbs has resigned.

[rjay 24,917]

Mitch hallihan

Think he might be a little like Magner and Couch, a gun VFL player but lacking at senior level. Got a game when Hawks had number of injuries and went ok but just ok.

[Return to Glory 8,435]

I'll make a disclaimer that I know Tyrone and whilst he has not come on, if anybody could get the most out of him it's Roos. Wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

[Machsy 2,858]

I raised the possibility of Vickery about 4-6 weeks ago.

I wouldn't be surprised or dismayed if Roos made a run for him.

Definitely a Roos-type pick up.

His value is at an all-time low so we could get him cheap, he clearly has attributes that he should be using a lot more effectively, has worn out his welcome at his original club, and he looks like he desperately needs a change of scenery.

Go Roosy. Get him.

Even if he's only an extra ruck and forward option for the next 2 years.

I'd back Roos to get more out of him than any other coach.

[Yossarian 1,820]

Would be funny seeing Schulz and Vickery both turning into guns at other clubs, especially if it was ours, hahaha. A boy can dream.

[DeeSpencer 25,678]

I raised the possibility of Vickery about 4-6 weeks ago.

I wouldn't be surprised or dismayed if Roos made a run for him.

Definitely a Roos-type pick up.

His value is at an all-time low so we could get him cheap, he clearly has attributes that he should be using a lot more effectively, has worn out his welcome at his original club, and he looks like he desperately needs a change of scenery.

Go Roosy. Get him.

Even if he's only an extra ruck and forward option for the next 2 years.

I'd back Roos to get more out of him than any other coach.

The big question is how cheap is cheap. I'm sure the Tigers would be happy to move on from him for a valuable top 30 type pick, but they'd probably back themselves to persist with him for a pick after that.

My personal view is any pick after about 50 or 55 is pretty worthless as you can get your man with your next pick or PSD or rookie draft. So that's the kind of pick I'd give up for Vickery.

He's a big strong athletic kid who can't seem to focus at all on the actual job of playing footy. Doesn't know when to use his athleticism which isn't bad, can't control the right level of physicality either.

[ChaserJ 5,083]

Gold still to be found in GWS?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victorian-clubs-scrambling-for-kristian-jaksch-20140624-zskih.html

[Beats 190]

I've done a bit of thinking on a potential (my dream) list management scenario for the end of year:

We're paying 95% or so of the cap atm (not sure how mitch Clarks payout effects that...), so call it $9,600,000 in TPP prior to Mitch Clarks payout.

I'm predicting we will delist the following players at a minimum: Byrnes, Clark, Strauss, Tapscott, Fitzpatrick, Evans. Between them I guesstimate that they earn $1,250,000 to $1,350,000. The majority of that sum is made up of Clark ($650,000+) and Byrnes ($150,000 to $200,000), the remaining 4 on an average of $100,000 - $125,000. *I have factored Frawley in at $650,000 (however, I'm predicting he'll stay so haven't included him in that sum).

I assume we will upgrade Jetta, leaving 5 spaces on the senior list. We must make a minimum of 2 draft picks plus Jetta, I'm predicting we will make 3. I'm estimating that the remaining senior playing list + Jetta + 3 Draftees will earn a combined $8,700,000, with the higher paid players ($350,000+) being: Hogan, Jones, Watts, Dawes, Frawley, Dunn, Vince, Grimes, Howe.

Based on the workings above that leaves us with 2 spots to fill, a minimum spend of $850,000 (approx.) and a max spend of $1,350,000 (approx.).

TLDR; Although I'm unsure on their contract situations I would throw stupid amounts of money at Luke Breust and Luke Parker - $500,000 to $650,000 each. Their salaries would skyrocket compared to what they will be paid at their respective clubs next year and we can sell the idea of joining a young talented team on the rise, with 2 years (hopefully) of being coached by Paul Roos. *Hannebery would be my next preference.

[whatwhat say what 22,742]

Jaksch would be a fine acquisition, particularly if Chip goes. I suppose the question is how is he rated in comparison with other high KPP picks in this draft?

Edited June 24, 2014 by DemonAndrew

[hulkhogan666 142]

I've done a bit of thinking on a potential (my dream) list management scenario for the end of year:

We're paying 95% or so of the cap atm (not sure how mitch Clarks payout effects that...), so call it $9,600,000 in TPP prior to Mitch Clarks payout.

I'm predicting we will delist the following players at a minimum: Byrnes, Clark, Strauss, Tapscott, Fitzpatrick, Evans. Between them I guesstimate that they earn $1,250,000 to $1,350,000. The majority of that sum is made up of Clark ($650,000+) and Byrnes ($150,000 to $200,000), the remaining 4 on an average of $100,000 - $125,000. *I have factored Frawley in at $650,000 (however, I'm predicting he'll stay so haven't included him in that sum).

I assume we will upgrade Jetta, leaving 5 spaces on the senior list. We must make a minimum of 2 draft picks plus Jetta, I'm predicting we will make 3. I'm estimating that the remaining senior playing list + Jetta + 3 Draftees will earn a combined $8,700,000, with the higher paid players ($350,000+) being: Hogan, Jones, Watts, Dawes, Frawley, Dunn, Vince, Grimes, Howe.

Based on the workings above that leaves us with 2 spots to fill, a minimum spend of $850,000 (approx.) and a max spend of $1,350,000 (approx.).

TLDR; Although I'm unsure on their contract situations I would throw stupid amounts of money at Luke Breust and Luke Parker - $500,000 to $650,000 each. Their salaries would skyrocket compared to what they will be paid at their respective clubs next year and we can sell the idea of joining a young talented team on the rise, with 2 years (hopefully) of being coached by Paul Roos. *Hannebery would be my next preference.

Evans/Fitzy contracted for next year. Blease/McKenzie/Nicholson are not, could find themselves delisted.

[Adam The God 30,220]

Our midfield is still a way off, even if it has improved a bit. We lack serious midfield depth.

Roos will be targeting more gun onballers no doubt

Our KPP stocks are fine

It's not depth we lack so much, as genuine class and speed in the midfield.

[hulkhogan666 142]

It's not depth we lack so much, as genuine class and speed in the midfield.

That, AND depth.

When we have our best 22 we have a solid midfield, not great, still could use class and speed as you say, but it's solid. Now that Cross and McKenzie are out for this week (Cross for the next 4-6 weeks) we're going to struggle in bringing other guys in who can genuinely tag, not just that, but guys who can actually fill best 22 players spots. For example Hawthorn, with all their injuries they have at the moment they still win most weeks, and when they lost to Port/Swans, it wasn't by much, they keep winning because they have great depth who can fill spots to a degree until injured players are no longer injured. We're just lucky that Bulldogs will be without Gia, Cooney and most likely even Griffen. But Cross will hurt us because he's been in great form all year.

[Adam The God 30,220]

That, AND depth.

When we have our best 22 we have a solid midfield, not great, still could use class and speed as you say, but it's solid. Now that Cross and McKenzie are out for this week (Cross for the next 4-6 weeks) we're going to struggle in bringing other guys in who can genuinely tag, not just that, but guys who can actually fill best 22 players spots. For example Hawthorn, with all their injuries they have at the moment they still win most weeks, and when they lost to Port/Swans, it wasn't by much, they keep winning because they have great depth who can fill spots to a degree until injured players are no longer injured. We're just lucky that Bulldogs will be without Gia, Cooney and most likely even Griffen. But Cross will hurt us because he's been in great form all year.

Hawthorn still win most weeks, because they have a crop of genuine class. And their depth has been severely tested. It's been shown to be pretty thin, IMO.

As for taggers, I think we'll use Jones to tag/go head-to-head with Libba this weekend. Losing your two best taggers in one week is pretty unlucky. I reckon most teams would struggle to cover that injury hit.

For me, we lack enough genuine class to get the job done consistently against good opposition.

[Tyson_Viney_Toumpas 269]

From Richmond I'd rather Ben Griffiths than Vickery.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

Do you think Roos an Co. could turn Tyrone Vickery into a player?

Because I don't think Hardwick can and seems like he's on the outer a bit, Clarke replacement potential with good coaching

I take it this post was intended as a joke.

[whatwhat say what 22,742]

Given that Dangerfield becomes a free agent at the end of 2015, how about a deal with Adelaide offering Toumpas and our first round pick - the Chip compo one if it occurs, obviously - for him the year before he becomes a RFA?

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

Surely Adelaide would back themselves to keep him, and it would be just our luck that toumpas would come good in a big way