There's never been more to this than a text message. If no-one can find evidence of Bomber players taking anything given their industrial style substance program how would there be evidence of a tube of cream for Trenners which he may have received but possibly never used?

And the shot Dunn is supposed to have spoken of sounds like it would have been one of the approved vitamin shots alluded to in another text.

I genuinely feel on reflection that we are cool.

It's about the great integrity of the AFL; it is demonstrating impartiality and thorougness.

I wonder if asada could conclude that more than one essendon player was administered banned substances but cannot identify exactly who

Could they then ban the whole team for a specified time instead? (without any individual bans)

They have a rule which says if two or more players in a team sport use banned substances then the team can be banned

Must admit, I'm pretty uneducated with the drug side of things here.

Even if the cream is applied to a localised area eg foot would its effect still be permeated throughout the body in a performance enhancing way? If not, surely there is a line between helping a sore/effected limb recover compared to trying to change your physiological capabilities in the context of a PED via injection.

We will be fine. Lets not allow this thread to get into triple digits. More importantly, I need a new profile name... maybe we can discuss that instead?

How about "Hoganbogan 1" ?

3AW: Demetriou says it's been "absolutely" confirmed that AOD-9604 was administered to Essendon players.

If ASADA/WADA then decide to issue infraction notices to Essendon, I reckon we're in trouble to. There is a very good chance we also administered AODee to our players.

How so?

Where is the proof that we ever administered AOD9604 to our players?

Unlike Essendon, we have everything on record and have already said that anything injected to our players is legal.

The AOD cream is also not banned.

Although I don't think this will end up in any sanctions for the club or players. I do hope this is wrapped up fairly quickly. This club has had enough crap from the media and anymore would just be too much.

How so?

Where is the proof that we ever administered AOD9604 to our players?

Unlike Essendon, we have everything on record and have already said that anything injected to our players is legal.

The AOD cream is also not banned.

You believe the MFC administrators of that period Jaded?

I will believe it when we are cleared and not one minute before.

Must admit, I'm pretty uneducated with the drug side of things here.

Even if the cream is applied to a localised area eg foot would its effect still be permeated throughout the body in a performance enhancing way? If not, surely there is a line between helping a sore/effected limb recover compared to trying to change your physiological capabilities in the context of a PED via injection.

it wouldn't need to permeate the entire body to be considered 'performance enhancing', localised treatments to speed up the recovery of injuries also fall into the category. in a similar vein for example, anabolic steroids are banned because they speed up muscle recovering and aid muscle growth - not because they make you stronger if you take them on the morning of your match

having said that, seems like much of the confusion from WADA/ASADA may relate to how AOD is administered - i.e. maybe it is OK in cream form but not as an injection. that's probably what it will boil down to in Trenners case

You believe the MFC administrators of that period Jaded?

I will believe it when we are cleared and not one minute before.

I reckon we were dumb enough to keep records....so yeah !!! lol

I reckon we were dumb enough to keep records....so yeah !!! lol

First time I've ever seen the MFC be accused of being dumb for following good governance practice.

First time I've ever seen the MFC be accused of being dumb for following good governance practice.

always a first time

Our punishment will be 8 home game in Tassie.... And the removal of Melbourne from our name....

First time I've ever seen the MFC be accused of being dumb for following good governance practice.

This should work in MFCs favour to mitigate the governance issues

You believe the MFC administrators of that period Jaded?

I will believe it when we are cleared and not one minute before.

I believe that inspite of everything, we did not lie to the AFL and have clear records that show what was injected, to who, and when.

I also believe that the worst team ever to grace the footy field can't possibly have taken anything performance enhancing.

I believe that inspite of everything, we did not lie to the AFL and have clear records that show what was injected, to who, and when.

I also believe that the worst team ever to grace the footy field can't possibly have taken anything performance enhancing.

Imagine how bad they would be without help jaded.

Jokes aside I don't believe the story at this point.

I will wait and see.

I believe that inspite of everything, we did not lie to the AFL and have clear records that show what was injected, to who, and when.

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

The AFL already have our computer records don't they??

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

yep...sounds like Melbourne

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

It does not ring right for me either RR

The AFL already have our computer records don't they??

And what do they show??

If its a clean accurate and reliable record then it might help MFC.

However, I understood its been established that no one was aware that Dr Wolf was consorting with Danks and arranging.

The records would seem to be useless from a goverance perspective if no one knew about them or reviewed them.

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

Like Essendon jaded we have no idea what happened at Gladstone park.

At this point we have the word of a doctor who has proved he is loose with telling all

and a guy who could not lie straight in bed.

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

I have no confidence that this club is in the clear over supplements, certainly the AFL lost confidence in Schwab to run the MFC around this time, anything that has CS or DMc fingerprints on it has to be a worry for us.

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

Its not clear that the FD/Executive knew much at all as there seemed to be a rush for the exit for all to disassociate with Dr Wolf when the Danks connection was established.

And its not clear who Wolf reported to.....Misson, Craig, Mahoney...

None of us knows the precise facts about what Dank's role was or what JT took or didn't take so why speculate?