Melbourne to be investigated re supplements

[CHAMP 347]

There's never been more to this than a text message. If no-one can find evidence of Bomber players taking anything given their industrial style substance program how would there be evidence of a tube of cream for Trenners which he may have received but possibly never used?

And the shot Dunn is supposed to have spoken of sounds like it would have been one of the approved vitamin shots alluded to in another text.

I genuinely feel on reflection that we are cool.

It's about the great integrity of the AFL; it is demonstrating impartiality and thorougness.

[daisycutter 29,604]

I wonder if asada could conclude that more than one essendon player was administered banned substances but cannot identify exactly who

Could they then ban the whole team for a specified time instead? (without any individual bans)

They have a rule which says if two or more players in a team sport use banned substances then the team can be banned

[1858 285]

Must admit, I'm pretty uneducated with the drug side of things here.

Even if the cream is applied to a localised area eg foot would its effect still be permeated throughout the body in a performance enhancing way? If not, surely there is a line between helping a sore/effected limb recover compared to trying to change your physiological capabilities in the context of a PED via injection.

[Webber 10,454]

We will be fine. Lets not allow this thread to get into triple digits. More importantly, I need a new profile name... maybe we can discuss that instead?

How about "Hoganbogan 1" ?

[Jaded No More 68,867]

3AW: Demetriou says it's been "absolutely" confirmed that AOD-9604 was administered to Essendon players.

If ASADA/WADA then decide to issue infraction notices to Essendon, I reckon we're in trouble to. There is a very good chance we also administered AODee to our players.

How so?

Where is the proof that we ever administered AOD9604 to our players?

Unlike Essendon, we have everything on record and have already said that anything injected to our players is legal.

The AOD cream is also not banned.

[Clark_Kent 315]

Although I don't think this will end up in any sanctions for the club or players. I do hope this is wrapped up fairly quickly. This club has had enough crap from the media and anymore would just be too much.

[old dee 23,781]

How so?

Where is the proof that we ever administered AOD9604 to our players?

Unlike Essendon, we have everything on record and have already said that anything injected to our players is legal.

The AOD cream is also not banned.

You believe the MFC administrators of that period Jaded?

I will believe it when we are cleared and not one minute before.

[The Demon 2565 28]

Must admit, I'm pretty uneducated with the drug side of things here.

Even if the cream is applied to a localised area eg foot would its effect still be permeated throughout the body in a performance enhancing way? If not, surely there is a line between helping a sore/effected limb recover compared to trying to change your physiological capabilities in the context of a PED via injection.

it wouldn't need to permeate the entire body to be considered 'performance enhancing', localised treatments to speed up the recovery of injuries also fall into the category. in a similar vein for example, anabolic steroids are banned because they speed up muscle recovering and aid muscle growth - not because they make you stronger if you take them on the morning of your match

having said that, seems like much of the confusion from WADA/ASADA may relate to how AOD is administered - i.e. maybe it is OK in cream form but not as an injection. that's probably what it will boil down to in Trenners case

[beelzebub 23,313]

You believe the MFC administrators of that period Jaded?

I will believe it when we are cleared and not one minute before.

I reckon we were dumb enough to keep records....so yeah !!! lol

[Nasher 33,607]

I reckon we were dumb enough to keep records....so yeah !!! lol

First time I've ever seen the MFC be accused of being dumb for following good governance practice.

[beelzebub 23,313]

First time I've ever seen the MFC be accused of being dumb for following good governance practice.

always a first time

[Tatu 416]

Our punishment will be 8 home game in Tassie.... And the removal of Melbourne from our name....

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

First time I've ever seen the MFC be accused of being dumb for following good governance practice.

This should work in MFCs favour to mitigate the governance issues

[Jaded No More 68,867]

You believe the MFC administrators of that period Jaded?

I will believe it when we are cleared and not one minute before.

I believe that inspite of everything, we did not lie to the AFL and have clear records that show what was injected, to who, and when.

I also believe that the worst team ever to grace the footy field can't possibly have taken anything performance enhancing.

Edited August 28, 2013 by Jaded

[old dee 23,781]

I believe that inspite of everything, we did not lie to the AFL and have clear records that show what was injected, to who, and when.

I also believe that the worst team ever to grace the footy field can't possibly have taken anything performance enhancing.

Imagine how bad they would be without help jaded.

Jokes aside I don't believe the story at this point.

I will wait and see.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I believe that inspite of everything, we did not lie to the AFL and have clear records that show what was injected, to who, and when.

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

[jnrmac 20,055]

The AFL already have our computer records don't they??

[beelzebub 23,313]

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

yep...sounds like Melbourne

[Jaded No More 68,867]

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

[old dee 23,781]

The Executive and Board did not know that Dr L Wolf was acting with Danks. As a result MFC misled the AFL.The FD did not know that Dr L Wolf was cocercing with Danks.

Yet there are clear records that exist for a process no one apparently knew was going on.

It does not ring right for me either RR

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The AFL already have our computer records don't they??

And what do they show??

If its a clean accurate and reliable record then it might help MFC.

However, I understood its been established that no one was aware that Dr Wolf was consorting with Danks and arranging.

The records would seem to be useless from a goverance perspective if no one knew about them or reviewed them.

Edited August 28, 2013 by Rhino Richards

[old dee 23,781]

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

Like Essendon jaded we have no idea what happened at Gladstone park.

At this point we have the word of a doctor who has proved he is loose with telling all

and a guy who could not lie straight in bed.

[mjt 640]

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

I have no confidence that this club is in the clear over supplements, certainly the AFL lost confidence in Schwab to run the MFC around this time, anything that has CS or DMc fingerprints on it has to be a worry for us.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I was under the impression that they knew we were getting injections, but that they didn't know Dank was involved, which makes sense since he was never employed or seen inside the club and was cohorting with our doctor, via texts. Said doctor has now been sacked.

Its not clear that the FD/Executive knew much at all as there seemed to be a rush for the exit for all to disassociate with Dr Wolf when the Danks connection was established.

And its not clear who Wolf reported to.....Misson, Craig, Mahoney...

[Spirit of the Demon 249]

None of us knows the precise facts about what Dank's role was or what JT took or didn't take so why speculate?