Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[biggestred 4,420]

http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf

pages 15 and 16 are unbelieveable.

16500 doses of colostrum to be shared between 38 players?

[sue 8,576]

Bang indeed.

They should be hung on this one point alone:

" failed to identify and record the source from which all substances used by players were obtained;"

I wonder what the redacted bits around Hird are not to mention the missing drug (h) under item 124. Hard to know where to start

Edited August 21, 2013 by sue

[old dee 23,241]

A interesting thing here is that the more they took the worsst the performed in 2012,

By the time some alarm bells were ring mid year they had multiplere injuries and were playing poorly.

It truely is unbelievable that so many people did nothing for so long.

[Still Waiting 94]

Sick of all this dragged out uncertainty by Vlad. What a donkey brain, he is. F C S make up yr mind and charge the f'n cheats who also have a pack of inept players health and welfare managers. Hird and Watson should be the 1st to cop it in the neck. That old doctor nutter needs to get out too. Gutless performance by the AFL and inept, stupid practices by the EFC.

[biggestred 4,420]

Sick of all this dragged out uncertainty by Vlad. What a donkey brain, he is. F C S make up yr mind and charge the f'n cheats who also have a pack of inept players health and welfare managers. Hird and Watson should be the 1st to cop it in the neck. That old doctor nutter needs to get out too. Gutless performance by the AFL and inept, stupid practices by the EFC.

I fail to see what else the AFL should have done.

they waited for a report from ASADA which is obviously huge, got an interim report and charged people and the club a week later on the strength of that.

the players will be issued with infraction notices by ASADA when ASADA releases their final report and not before.

ALL the other crap going on is Essendon and their spin doctors and lawyers trying to make themselves look squeaky clean.

[Sir Why You Little 35,295]

http://t.co/cDKmJyluex

Bang

that's quite a report isn't it.

Was this just made public today?? It is dated 13 August, is it new evidence compared to this mornings media?

Only ask because there seems to be a softening of guilt because of the new stance to AOD.

This report is filthy. The club should be banned from the competition on this stuff 10 year minimum. This is Hunter S Thompson meets Walter Whyte..

[sue 8,576]

Essendone

72. The Thymosin referred to on the “Patient Information/Informed Consent” forms and

administered to the players was:

(a) Thymosin Beta-4 which is prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the

World Anti-Doping Code

so Essendone will say they didn't administer it, but they did ask players to consent to it explicitly? The mind boggles.

Looks like an attempted cover-up too with those rescinded receipts from their compounding chemist?

TA-65 at Collingwood claimed by Dank - anyone know the significance?

Edited August 21, 2013 by sue

[rjay 24,148]

that's quite a report isn't it.

Was this just made public today?? It is dated 13 August, is it new evidence compared to this mornings media?

Only ask because there seems to be a softening of guilt because of the new stance to AOD.

This report is filthy. The club should be banned from the competition on this stuff 10 year minimum. This is Hunter S Thompson meets Walter Whyte..

I think the AFL just went 'SNAP' in more ways than one after the stuff Essendon put out last night about AOD.

Edited August 21, 2013 by rjay

[biggestred 4,420]

report released today about 130pm. called a "statement of grounds"

[rpfc 27,666]

report released today about 130pm. called a "statement of grounds"

Yes, it's some statement.

The AFL just dropped the mike...

[Still Waiting 94]

I fail to see what else the AFL should have done.

they waited for a report from ASADA which is obviously huge, got an interim report and charged people and the club a week later on the strength of that.

the players will be issued with infraction notices by ASADA when ASADA releases their final report and not before.

ALL the other crap going on is Essendon and their spin doctors and lawyers trying to make themselves look squeaky clean.

For a start, maybe Vlad being here instead of OS could have pushed this along a little. Maybe under their own AFL rules of behaviour they could have charged the efc with UNAPPROVED substances and therefore conduct unbecoming or any number of new things that the AFL usually "make up on the run". Maybe they could have asked the efc if they had correct procedural approval for any of these substances that they administered. Maybe Hirds relationship with a few shady types should have been looked at much earlier. Perhaps the AFL could have had their most senior execs and not an understudy report on the findings a few weeks ago. Perhaps the AFL needed to shore up the approved substance list for all clubs way before all this broke news way back then...........etc etc etc The AFL have shown a distinct lack of leadership, direction and governance in this whole matter. The efc have run rings around them, and thus far, continue to do so.

[Tony Tea 2,792]

Colostrum is what Neil Craig gave to the Adelaide players prior to the 1997/98 flags. It defies belief that Craig was not aware of what Dr Bates was subsequently up to at Melbourne (possibly with Dank).

[Tony Tea 2,792]

As always in these situations: there but for the grace of God, go us. Schadenfreude on hold.

[sue 8,576]

As always in these situations: there but for the grace of God, go us. Schadenfreude on hold.

Sorry, after this season, schadenfreude is the only thing keeping my interest in AFL going.

But yes, there but for the grace of god; we could have been Essendon supporters or it could have been us.

Interesting to reflect on how the MFC has had a weak, anything will do culture, which leads to disaster while Essendon have a strong, whatever it takes culture, which also leads to disaster at the other extreme.

[biggestred 4,420]

For a start, maybe Vlad being here instead of OS could have pushed this along a little. Maybe under their own AFL rules of behaviour they could have charged the efc with UNAPPROVED substances and therefore conduct unbecoming or any number of new things that the AFL usually "make up on the run". Maybe they could have asked the efc if they had correct procedural approval for any of these substances that they administered. Maybe Hirds relationship with a few shady types should have been looked at much earlier. Perhaps the AFL could have had their most senior execs and not an understudy report on the findings a few weeks ago. Perhaps the AFL needed to shore up the approved substance list for all clubs way before all this broke news way back then...........etc etc etc The AFL have shown a distinct lack of leadership, direction and governance in this whole matter. The efc have run rings around them, and thus far, continue to do so.

ASADA investigation, not AFL investigation.

the AFL has no power there.

Essendon would have you believe they have run rings around the AFL. looks like the AFL and ASADA have just been building a brick wall for Essendon to run into.

[Ungarie boy 233]

Essendon doctor Bruce Reid warned the Bombers about the club's supplements program

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-doctor-bruce-reid-warned-the-bombers-about-the-clubs-supplements-program/story-fndv8gad-1226701308598

Wow just Wow - Very interesting reading

The way this is playing out is really starting to feel like war between The AFL/ASADA and the Bombers

[deepete 27]

Does anyone have any speculation on what was blacked out in the document? Especially relating to the side effects of a naughty little boy? Man, I was a bit shocked reading the report - I cant see how anyone can put any spin on whats been made public. (I know that they will try lol)

[Canberra Demon 159]

If you want a good read drop into Bomberblitz

They have a lot of excuses and reasons as to why the report is rubbish and how none of it will stick.

[Born to Run 204]

Essendone

72. The Thymosin referred to on the “Patient Information/Informed Consent” forms and

administered to the players was:

(a) Thymosin Beta-4 which is prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the

World Anti-Doping Code

so Essendone will say they didn't administer it, but they did ask players to consent to it explicitly? The mind boggles.

Looks like an attempted cover-up too with those rescinded receipts from their compounding chemist?

TA-65 at Collingwood claimed by Dank - anyone know the significance?

I assume Thymosin Alpha which the AFL is at pains to point out that Essendon were not after, instead alleging that they were after Thymosin Beta-4. I assume therefore that TA-65 is not prohibited under WADA or ASADA regs.

[frankie_d 1,415]

If I did what the EFC non-medics are accused of doing (including not keeping records etc etc etc) I'd be struck off.

This is crystal clear - NO GOVERNANCE, and just awful beyond belief

[DemonDan83 95]

After reading those charges how can any of these people still be working, surely they are suspended until the hearing because seriously that is some damaging stuff. The bombers are going to be in crisis control after this being released. So if they are the facts of what has happened at Essendon, then that's it, it is a clear cut case where they should be stripped of points, no drafts, fines, it's just beggars belief what is in that report.

[sue 8,576]

If I did what the EFC non-medics are accused of doing (including not keeping records etc etc etc) I'd be struck off.

This is crystal clear - NO GOVERNANCE, and just awful beyond belief

or they did have records, but they were shredded.

I find it hard to believe anyone, no matter how amateurish, would embark on this without keeping records to monitor progress, make comparisons etc. Waste of money otherwise. Either way, they are condemned unless they can prove the whole thing is a fabrication.

[Vipercrunch 2,818]

Bomberblitz is a hoot. I wonder which forum Essendon supporters with brains use...

[Canberra Demon 159]

Bomberblitz is a hoot. I wonder which forum Essendon supporters with brains use...

Do i need to point out your major mistake with that statement?

[old55 21,818]

Dean Wallis in charge of keeping the injection records - that explains everything ...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-wallis-implicated-over-essendon-drug-records-20130821-2saw3.html?rand=1377062070418