Royal has been an enduring factor while we have been shithouse and especially our midfield has been shithouse. He really has to go, he has to be judged on performance at some point too.

FCS -Neeld has been sacked so all these who have bayed for his blood be satisfied.

Now please can everyone get behind Craig for the residue of the season. He IS an experienced coach, something that any have been calling for......he will not get immediate success, but he needs a lot if support from us all.

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:23, Robot Devil said:

Royal is probably preparing his PowerPoint presentation as we speak. No point wasting time on coaching for this season now.

LOL. You may well be right RD. The laptop register might be all booked up for this coming weekend. Reason - "personal use" !

  On 17/06/2013 at 01:24, why you little said:

I hope Mark goes on a good holiday. It's been tough on him. I feel sorry for him, but he was just not experienced enough to do the job.

Good luck Mark.

The MFC must stay tough. More staff and players will go.

Yeah, $600,000 buys a lot of beer

Clearly Craig needs to be sacked - Jimmy Toumpas and peter Jackson have had their chance and done nothing (other than sack everybody else). Sack them!

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:54, Norm Smith said:

Clearly Craig needs to be sacked - Jimmy Toumpas and peter Jackson have had their chance and done nothing (other than sack everybody else). Sack them!

Sorry NSC, you're sacked too!

What if malthouse knew Neeld wasn't a good fit but thought he could set him up for life with a fail and then a nice pay out? Sorry - just had to ask

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:55, Django said:

Sorry NSC, you're sacked too!

The curse has been lifted? Thank $%^^&

  On 17/06/2013 at 07:31, DemonOX said:

LOVE the Ox

HUGE man crush on him

yeah......

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:56, Lordweaver said:

yeah......

Could we have a biblical quote re "man crushes" please lord?

  On 16/06/2013 at 23:43, Daz said:

Interim Neil Craig.

Paul Roos will become coach

you wish!...lol

Äs you wish:

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:59, Bitter but optimistic said:

Could we have a biblical quote re "man crushes" please lord?

John 13:23 "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved

Could be worth watching On the Couch tonight, just to see whether Roos is put under the spotlight and what his body language is like.

So if we win half of our remaining games, who would support Craig keeping the job long term?

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:55, Norm Smith said:

What if malthouse knew Neeld wasn't a good fit but thought he could set him up for life with a fail and then a nice pay out? Sorry - just had to ask

That is the best conspiracy theory I have heard in ten Years.

The vast majority of these [censored] ups are that they are just [censored] ups plan and simple

  On 17/06/2013 at 09:23, Goodvibes said:

So if we win half of our remaining games, who would support Craig keeping the job long term?

Unfortunately Goodvibes that is proportion that will never need to be considered.

  On 17/06/2013 at 06:11, why you little said:

The Ox was dead right again.

In what way?

  On 17/06/2013 at 03:21, soxy@live.com.au said:

Not exactly this list.. We will hardly improve... A few very serious changes need to and will be made before 2014.. THEN we will improve... MN had no hope with the current list and I am NOT going in to bat for him, not at all ... No coach would succeed with this list... GWS are even worse, regardless of having one of the AFL greats as coach... Cannot win with the wrong cattle..

The list is a long way from being satisfactory. But at the same time don't underestimate the effect Craig might bring into the playing group. Albeit this will be muted somewhat as he is obviously a caretaker and the players know this.

You can't compare the outgoing coach with the likes of Craig. Smart operator and his record is up there with some well rated coaches.

Of all present day coaches, potential coaches and coaches who have left the scene in the last 5 to 10 years or so or who might be the slightest chance of being considered or even discussed for the role next year......AND who have had at least one full season of coaching, the present rankings for Winning % throughout the home & away (regular season only ie., no finals records included to be fair) Craig sits at No. 11 out of a total of 29 coaches. Neeld not surprisingly sitting last if included against these. In fact Neeld has the worst ever record of any MFC coach and sits at 219 out of 224 coaches (of all time AFL/VFL) who have coached at least one full season. Craig ranked 54th here.

Candidates, who some are seriously considering for next year, who sit below Craig (11th) include; Williams (13th), Eade (14th), Worsfold (15th), Ayres (16th), Ratten (19th), Laidley (21st) and Knights (26th).

Of the present day AFL coaches, Craig ranks 9th above Hird (10th), Worsfold (11th), Brad Scott (you get the picture) , Watters, Hardwick, Voss, McCartney and McKenna. I have left out Hinkley in these rankings as he's obviously had less than a full season.

While I'm not saying Craig will have serious success (not enough time and he's taking over a shattered playing group) we also shouldn't underestimate who we have here as caretaker. He might surprise some.

  On 17/06/2013 at 09:10, Lordweaver said:

Äs you wish:

John 13:23 "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved

Wow!! I'm a convert.

  On 17/06/2013 at 09:50, Bitter but optimistic said:

Wow!! I'm a convert.

You must be close to leaving us in the lurch Bbo.

Enjoy the warmth in SEA

  On 17/06/2013 at 08:55, Norm Smith said:

What if malthouse knew Neeld wasn't a good fit but thought he could set him up for life with a fail and then a nice pay out? Sorry - just had to ask

Mick didn't really pass on much at all to any of his assistants.

The thing with Mick Malthouse is that he is a motivator of players and he works on more of a one on one level to get the best out of individuals.

Mick clearly makes the side dependent on himself, that is the kind of person he is, that is why when he left Collingwood - they fell to pieces.

It's also the reason why Buckley was clearly out of his depth as a coach and has had to learn on the job.. Getting Eade in was very important.

Where Roos and Bomber get everyone involved and believe that everyone should be leaders - Mick doesn't do that, he is old school.

Eddie knew what would happen if Mick taken all his knowledge out the door, without sharing any and he put in a handover plan in place.

Malthouse still took all his knowledge out the door and Collingwood have slipped ever since.

Just watched the presser, i wonder when PJ will don the Navy blue and red stripped tie?

  On 17/06/2013 at 10:02, BrisbaneDemon said:

Just watched the presser, i wonder when PJ will don the Navy blue and red stripped tie?

Why most of the previous holders have not covered it in Glory!

Based on the results so far he can wear any colour he likes

After having the arvo to think about my thoughts on it, I thought I'd post it now.

In my opinion, I feel neeld polarised the playing group early on. Sure, he removed some players who weren't going to take us forward, but I feel that fractured the playing group and probably created doubt. Neeld would have been seen as cam schwab's puppet per se, and that probably added to the lack of application from some players. That said, I wonder about the mental damage that we now see on grimes, Howe, trengove, Strauss, blease and watts, who now have 3-4 years on an afl list and have seen 2 coaches removed and have now to endure a new coach with new plans.

That said, I feel neeld had good intentions in regards to building a team of players who give 100% effort, 100% of the time. With the addition of Dawes, hogan, toumpas, Clark and viney, added to trengove, Howe, frawley, garland and grimes, we have the core for players who are dedicated and live a lifestyle focused on getting the best out of themselves and will provide leadership and attention to detail, preparation and recovery.

I was neither pro or anti neeld. But I am pro- demon. I'm frustrated that our club is again the laughing stock of the afl. I'm frustrated that we've played just 11 games and we are facing half a season of "treading water" with no actual game plan or structure to adhere to. I'm frustrated that we now have cost a second coach his job with incompetence at board, recruiting and development levels. I'm frustrated at the uncertainty we now face for the remainder of the season, and that players who should be focused just on developing and playing, now also don't know their futures or their long term positions in the team.

Disappointing day all round. I hope that this is the last disappointing day that we have, as all supporters have been through every emotion other than jubilation at winning games.

Thanks mark for your efforts, I hope that your culture changing efforts are one day vindicated with Clark, hogan, Dawes and co leading the way to a successful period in time for the demon footy club!

  On 17/06/2013 at 10:02, BrisbaneDemon said:

Just watched the presser, i wonder when PJ will don the Navy blue and red stripped tie?

It just makes it look more and more obvious that his only reason for being there is to bail us out on behalf of the AFL, he's not an MFC employee..