Sounds plausable.

did whoever you spoke to elabortae on tengove being put on ice? i guess what im asking is is he carrying an injury that requires further rehabilitation or by ice do you mean dropped to casey?

or by ice do you mean that he's going to be traded to meth coast?

Trying to be the hardest team to play against is not working, as someone aptly pointed out earlier in this thread our players are too busy watching their opposition players to get the football first. When opposition players have the ball each of our players are too busy chasing their own players to go at the player with the ball, yet still opposition teams can sweep it from side to side with easy and have 100+ more uncontested possessions than us.

How does that explain the first 15 minutes of a game, where he is the slowest player on the ground, Spencer included?

i guess its all opinion based, im not saying he looks quick, but i never thought he was quick, i think he is more of a consistent paced runner, sustaining pace rather than burst of pace. i definitely think he fades out over games but at the moment i feel its due to fitness and that once he starts being able to clock up the 15-20 minutes a quarter through the midfield again then he will be back to his old self.

people saying hes underdone

did you not watch him in 2012?

he was garbage all season

But did you not watch him in 2011? You can't suddenly lose ABILITY! People on this forum then were rating Trengove more highly than $cully well before he defected to the Giants. I must admit though I am puzzled at present.

people will blame the captaincy

fact he hes a very average footballer

should be at Casey

Has become average in the context of his impact and output. I still believe he has the tools but there's definitely something amiss.

Neeld needs to rectify this as one his top priorities rather that just coming up with ridiculous excuses that playing him in different positions is all part of his development. Let him play as, and develop as a midfielder you imbecile! What he was drafted as and for!

I think a lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that he is injured because they want that to be the case. He played very well last week didn't he? I remember people last week saying he was on an 'upward curve'!

He was actually great in his first two games back. I think he kicked two goals in each of those games, as well as having a few tackles and a number of contested possessions. The fact that he's quickly gone downhill speaks to how underdone he is as a result of his foot injury.

The problem is he has lost power and any ability to break away. He has been able to contest pretty well when the ball is in close but is a liability when it's not. This is not because of his injury pre season as he had the same issue last season, maybe the foot was giving him problems then, who knows.

One thing is for sure and that is he is not the player he was in his first 2 seasons at the club. Some forget that and think of him as a dud pick, I don't but am concerned about what has happened to him over the last season and a bit. He has played nowhere near his potential in that time.

I have a theory. Craig, Neeld and Co made jack slim down a lot over the past year. As a result he has lost a lot of his big rump and this may be why he has lost a lot of power. Aker said he thought he needed to lose weight one year but found he lost acceleration and burst of speed, so put it back on.

He averaged about 20 possessions in his first two years which is pretty good, the question is whether he can improve on that?

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by Clint Bizkit

I have a theory. Craig, Neeld and Co made jack slim down a lot over the past year. As a result he has lost a lot of his big rump and this may be why he has lost a lot of power. Aker said he thought he needed to lose weight one year but found he lost acceleration and burst of speed, so put it back on.

Serena Williams agrees with that theory.

Despite all this still ranked 8th in the league for tackles per game. Who'd have thunk it?

He could be an elite midfielder of the comp, i still think he will be, it's time Neeld looks at the bigger picture, we aren't getting near finals this year, it's round 6 and being able to say that with total confidence is very depressing, the bloke clearly isn't right so we relieve him of being captain, put him on ice, how good would a happy fully fit Jack Trengove be first day of pre season?

Trengove may not be responding well to his current training regime.. He needs 6 weeks off to work on power and fitness. The club owe him a solution to his ills

Despite all this still ranked 8th in the league for tackles per game. Who'd have thunk it?

6 per game i believe.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-07/dees-should-give-jack-a-break

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-07/dees-should-give-jack-a-break

That is one of the most poorly-written articles I've ever read. Year 10 stuff at best there.

He could be an elite midfielder of the comp, i still think he will be, it's time Neeld looks at the bigger picture, we aren't getting near finals this year, it's round 6 and being able to say that with total confidence is very depressing, the bloke clearly isn't right so we relieve him of being captain, put him on ice, how good would a happy fully fit Jack Trengove be first day of pre season?

We don't need to relieve him of the Captaincy, just as we don't need to relieve Grimes of the captaincy...

But I think every one can see he isn't anywhere near as able to run, as he was in his first year; because of his foot, & maybe some other issue prior to the Stress fracture.

... we need to give him a rest, & elevate Jonsey to a temp' Captaincy, for the rest of the H&A Season.

ASADA have just given Essendon players the all clear re: banned substances.

Looks like Jack is in the clear too then.

We don't need to relieve him of the Captaincy, just as we don't need to relieve Grimes of the captaincy...

But I think every one can see he isn't anywhere near as able to run, as he was in his first year; because of his foot, & maybe some other issue prior to the Stress fracture.

... we need to give him a rest, & elevate Jonsey to a temp' Captaincy, for the rest of the H&A Season.

I hope he keeps it, i think he is going to be our best player for a number of years, he is not terrible on an overall basis now, he gets great tackle counts, he generally does something when he has the ball and is hard at it, but if he is suffering from OP or it's still the fracture which both are entirely possible we need to do the right thing by the young man and suck up whatever on field pain it might cause in the short term

we are very lucky to have several players who could fill the role of captain while the others are out, Garland or Chip would be okay in that position too in my opinion.

Has become average in the context of his impact and output. I still believe he has the tools but there's definitely something amiss.

Neeld needs to rectify this as one his top priorities rather that just coming up with ridiculous excuses that playing him in different positions is all part of his development. Let him play as, and develop as a midfielder you imbecile! What he was drafted as and for!

McQueen i sense your frustration mate. Keep in mind that Neeld did play him in the mid field last week. Unfortunately he matched him up at the start of the match and for a fair portion of the rest of the centerbounces/on ball contests on Beamer. I've expressed my amazement at this decision previously, so i won't go over it again.

Based on what i've seen on the field this year and given we know he was coming back from an injury pre season, i'd say his fitness/conditioning levels just aren't up to playing at AFL level atm and he's probably been on a gradual downward spiral, recovery wise post each match, since his return.

Unfortunately, by allowing him to get towelled up by Beamer last week, Neeld has also added to the equation by possibly (emphasis on possibly) driving the final physical nail into him for the following week's match against the Blues (courtesy of Beamer) along with a massive drop in confidence with such a beating by a former team mate. Wouldn't be making him feel any better about the Captaincy either i wouldn't think. Imagine walking into the rooms after the Brisbane match having just been smashed by a former team mate who you were the Captain of, and facing that group as the co Captain.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by Rusty Nails

Why did they recruit these weak frail injury prone small guys who can't play winning football? Why did Neeld hate Moloney? Why didn't we recruit Darling and Malthouse? Because the management is no good.

McQueen i sense your frustration mate. Keep in mind that Neeld did play him in the mid field last week. Unfortunately he matched him up at the start of the match and for a fair portion of the rest of the centerbounces/on ball contests on Beamer. I've expressed my amazement at this decision previously, so i won't go over it again.

Based on what i've seen on the field this year and given we know he was coming back from an injury pre season, i'd say his fitness/conditioning levels just aren't up to playing at AFL level atm and he's probably been on a gradual downward spiral, recovery wise post each match, since his return.

Unfortunately, by allowing him to get towelled up by Beamer last week, Neeld has also added to the equation by possibly (emphasis on possibly) driving the final physical nail into him for the following week's match against the Blues (courtesy of Beamer) along with a massive drop in confidence with such a beating by a former team mate. Wouldn't be making him feel any better about the Captaincy either i wouldn't think. Imagine walking into the rooms after the Brisbane match having just been smashed by a former team mate who you were the Captain of, and facing that group as the co Captain.

Spot on Rusty. That towelling from Beamer and the 5 possie game can't be helping his image among the boys, regardless if it is his fault or not.

I would say that the Trengove captaincy needs to come to an end at the end of this year. I just hope Jack doesn't crack the s***s and leave. It was a silly move to give him the captaincy in the first place, a gimmick and a slap in the face of the men who moved against CS. It made a bit more sense with Jack Grimes but with Trenners it doesn't.

ASADA have just given Essendon players the all clear re: banned substances.

Looks like Jack is in the clear too then.

where are you hearing or reading this? im not accusing you of bullsh!t,i just can't find it anywhere

where are you hearing or reading this? im not accusing you of bullsh!t,i just can't find it anywhere

was on Channel 7

Why did they recruit these weak frail injury prone small guys who can't play winning football? Why did Neeld hate Moloney? Why didn't we recruit Darling and Malthouse? Because the management is no good.

Blah, blah, blah

I hope he keeps it, i think he is going to be our best player for a number of years, he is not terrible on an overall basis now, he gets great tackle counts, he generally does something when he has the ball and is hard at it, but if he is suffering from OP or it's still the fracture which both are entirely possible we need to do the right thing by the young man and suck up whatever on field pain it might cause in the short term

we are very lucky to have several players who could fill the role of captain while the others are out, Garland or Chip would be okay in that position too in my opinion.

yep, & in their absence of the leaders other will, hopefully step up.

this makes us stronger when all are back on the track together, & fit again.

thank goodness Jonesy has learnt to understand, & handle his body, to withstand the demands of modern AFL footy.