What a load of rubbish.

You're trying to make his comments into something they're not because you're a typical Watts hater.

The meaning of everything he says (not the article, but what HE actually says) is CLEARLY "we weren't good enough, we have lots of work to do".

You're looking for things to complain about when all he is saying is what we've all been saying ALL WEEK.

We're looking at the same thing from completely different angles. I can't make you see what I see. If you believe in subtleties in communication giving away the character of a person, then you'll come around to where I am. If you think it was just a generalised statement about the way the team can improve, then look, I'm not here to boil your bunny.

And Stuie, don't label me a Watts hater, because I love him. He was the right choice in that draft, I think he's awesome. He's just got to believe that he's awesome, get the mindset of a champion, and he'll be out of this world great.

We're looking at the same thing from completely different angles. I can't make you see what I see. If you believe in subtleties in communication giving away the character of a person, then you'll come around to where I am. If you think it was just a generalised statement about the way the team can improve, then look, I'm not here to boil your bunny.

And Stuie, don't label me a Watts hater, because I love him. He was the right choice in that draft, I think he's awesome. He's just got to believe that he's awesome, get the mindset of a champion, and he'll be out of this world great.

I take back the Watts hater bit then, apologies.

To me, he wasn't having a go at the leadership, he was simply saying "we were crap on Sunday, at the moment none of us can will ourselves on a contest like the great players do, we need to work on that, all of us, including me."

All I've heard about Watts is that he's a popular team man and would never pot the club or the leadership, so I think it was a merely a statement about where the team is at, rather than potting the leaders or lack thereof.

Good on Cummings, I see where he is coming from.

Sadly for us, we will probably have to wait another year or so for Jack to come good.

Very much like Tom Hawkins, kids who dominate juniors, generally take time.

When they do come good though, they come very good.

Everyone knows Jack has the skills, they are just frustrated he lacks the vigour and desperation.

Well, Jack never had that when he was dominating Juniors, he was just simply too good in other areas.

I think Jack will do what Hawkins has done, but do it twice as good.

The pressure will ease on Watts as well, as Nick Nat starts to break down even more with injuries.

I think the OX might've hit the nail on the head with consistancy.

I take back the Watts hater bit then, apologies.

To me, he wasn't having a go at the leadership, he was simply saying "we were crap on Sunday, at the moment none of us can will ourselves on a contest like the great players do, we need to work on that, all of us, including me."

All I've heard about Watts is that he's a popular team man and would never pot the club or the leadership, so I think it was a merely a statement about where the team is at, rather than potting the leaders or lack thereof.

Stuie, c'mon mate. I agree that he wasn't trying to pot the leadership group, but he did inadvertently. But, let's not get distracted because that's not my point...

My problem is that he's not looking at himself... His comments highlight a glaring reality about the way that he see's himself, and unfortunately, the way that he see's his team mates.

I really don't want to have a go at you mate, so I'll just say that your last post showed that we're not talking about the same thing. If you can be bothered re-read my posts, there's a consistent theme... I'm writing about getting the mindset of a champion. and not ever being caught staring in your neighbour's backyard. If you keep re-reading Jack's comments and coming back to me with what he meant to say, not what he did say, we're going to go round and round and round in circles bud.

Stuie, c'mon mate. I agree that he wasn't trying to pot the leadership group, but he did inadvertently. But, let's not get distracted because that's not my point...

My problem is that he's not looking at himself... His comments highlight a glaring reality about the way that he see's himself, and unfortunately, the way that he see's his team mates.

I really don't want to have a go at you mate, so I'll just say that your last post showed that we're not talking about the same thing. If you can be bothered re-read my posts, there's a consistent theme... I'm writing about getting the mindset of a champion. and not ever being caught staring in your neighbour's backyard. If you keep re-reading Jack's comments and coming back to me with what he meant to say, not what he did say, we're going to go round and round and round in circles bud.

Correct.

Jack is speaking in the 3rd person...it is somebody elses problem that there are no leaders.

JW should be speaking in first person.

He can make a change if he believes.

Correct.

Jack is speaking in the 3rd person...it is somebody elses problem that there are no leaders.

JW should be speaking in first person.

He can make a change if he believes.

Be the change you want to see in the world - Gandhi

Correct.

Jack is speaking in the 3rd person...it is somebody elses problem that there are no leaders.

JW should be speaking in first person.

He can make a change if he believes.

Um, 'we': first person plural.

Um, 'we': first person plural.

Too early in the morning mate!!

Be the change you want to see in the world - Gandhi

Ah. The legendary centre-half back for the Calcutta Tigers. What other footy tips has he got for us?

Too early in the morning mate!!

Never too early for a spot of Watts-bashing though.

But the first person plural in all this isn't just a piece of trivial pedantry. Macca's point about collective responsibility is much more important.

Whilst he is hardly Robinson Crusoe, Jack "The Wizard" Watts needs to pull out whatever finger he's using.

Two hands Jack, two hands.

What was that famous line again from a very famous player? "If it is to be, it's up to me!!"

Never too early for a spot of Watts-bashing though.

But the first person plural in all this isn't just a piece of trivial pedantry. Macca's point about collective responsibility is much more important.

I am not bashing Jack at all.

I know he has the talent. I want him to find it.

Speaking in the 3rd person is deflecting responsibility,

Cripes i want JW playing in September.

I am not bashing Jack at all.

I know he has the talent. I want him to find it.

Speaking in the 3rd person is deflecting responsibility,

Cripes i want JW playing in September.

Point is, he wasn't speaking in the third person.

Point is, he wasn't speaking in the third person.

Some awesome comprehension going on here. Perhaps you need to make it even simper for WYL.

Ok, I'm paraphrasing. Here's the quote.

"You look at the good teams like Geelong and Hawthorn and Fremantle and those kind of things. You've got guys like Selwood, Joel Corey, Stevie Johnson, Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis - they stand up and they don't accept that (losing) for their club.

"We don't have anyone like that today and that's the kind of thing that we need to work on."

You shouldn't be making statements like that. It's not acknowledging reality. It's not taking responsibility.

My problem is that you don't look at those blokes enviously. It takes you further away from being their kind of character. It's a weak statement.

What if its the truth though? None of us play for Melbourne, so we don't know really. All I see is that a few years ago they cleaned out all the experienced senior players, then gave the captaincy and leadership roles to a few 20 years old who had been at the club for five seconds (nothing against those players but they are inexperienced). But people like Brad Green still copped it every week for 'not leading' when he wasn't even deemed good enough by the club to be in the leadership group! Not like the old days where you had the older, experienced, respected players who had proven themselves as captain and 'leaders'. People like Adem Yze and David Neitz, Jeff White etc. I dunno, he's the one working there, not us. Maybe hes not trying to deflect responsibility, but maybe saying what he thinks is going wrong at the club?

Edited April 4, 201312 yr by footywidow

Let's stop blaming a 22 year old for a whole team problem.

Should have read like this...

where did i say or infer JW is responsible for the whole team? Of course he's not! Why do people around here invent their own thoughts and attach them to other people's posts? Yes, there are about 15 others in the side that need to lift, I am not talking about THEM, at this particular moment, I happen to be talking about Watts. FCS.

I think Gerard Whateley summed it up best when responding to Watts' comment that Melbourne doesn't have a Joel Selwood or a Sam Mitchell who can stand up when the team is losing and refuse to accept it: "Jack...Jack....it's you mate. It's YOU! They're waiting for you! We're all waiting for you!"

Stuie, c'mon mate. I agree that he wasn't trying to pot the leadership group, but he did inadvertently. But, let's not get distracted because that's not my point...

My problem is that he's not looking at himself... His comments highlight a glaring reality about the way that he see's himself, and unfortunately, the way that he see's his team mates.

I really don't want to have a go at you mate, so I'll just say that your last post showed that we're not talking about the same thing. If you can be bothered re-read my posts, there's a consistent theme... I'm writing about getting the mindset of a champion. and not ever being caught staring in your neighbour's backyard. If you keep re-reading Jack's comments and coming back to me with what he meant to say, not what he did say, we're going to go round and round and round in circles bud.

Correct.

Jack is speaking in the 3rd person...it is somebody elses problem that there are no leaders.

JW should be speaking in first person.

He can make a change if he believes.

Be the change you want to see in the world - Gandhi

Watts said: "WE weren't good enough, WE have lots of work to do".

There was a crap movie made in the 80's that made an amazing point... Stay with me, the punch line's a killer! In this movie 3 want-to-be-wizards lined up on stage hoping to be selected by the Grand-Master Wizard to be his apprentice. The Grand-Master Wizard held up his hand and put a question to each of the three "Choose the finger that a wizard uses for his magic...?" The first one chose the index finger, he was wrong. The second chose his middle finger, he was wrong. The third after great pause, chose the little finger... He was WRONG!

It was later revealed that the answer was to point to anyone of your own fingers...

People put up with as much crap as they think they deserve. They speak with as much authority as they believe they deserve. They pressure themselves to what they think are their boundaries.

To take the next step, you need to believe that you're capable of something you haven't done. That means, that you get to the last quarter and someone needs to stand up, you say "That's alright, Daddy's got it under control."

If you walk around with a certain swagger, with your shoulders back and your head high, you'll become the person that you think you deserve to be. Become something great Jack...

I really like this - it's not just for Jack though. It's for a great number of our players (and our club in general).

I can recall a conversation with a TV Journalist and Baseball player Evan Longoria. Now he is a star now, but he was asked how he approached the game with confidence from his first 'at-bat' in the MLB and Longoria replied that he wasn't confident from the start, he just knew that no other feeling is going to help him as he stares down pitchers in the big leagues.

He then repeated a oft used US phrase: "fake it, 'till you make it."

I would like to see a few of our boys with their head up, chest out, and look like they are confident in themselves and their teammates.

After a while they won't have to remind themselves to show that confidence, they will just be confident.

Oh a thread bashing Jack Watts and the CEO started by Range Rover... That's new...

Seriously though, you're grasping for straws if you're quoting Scott Cummings. Come on RR, lift you're game mate, this is bordering on pathetic now.

oh stuie dont you know people with agendas, have already made up there minds, watts can play 10 good games in a row then have one shocker, then people like jumbo retruns, will pop up and say watts must go, i bet you will never see jumbo, and morons like him, get on a postive tread on watts. watts needs to step up,he did say as much in his quote, jumbo has no idea, what watts said and i bet he has only read the cummins quote. and even if he did read it he will only take what he wants from it, and not what watts really said,

I have no particular agenda. Ive been and am still very much in Watts camp. Does that mean i forfeit all perspective ?

i thought it ironic bordering laughable that he , or anyone would come out with that.

Cummings for mine is within bounds to call him on it.

Everyone has to share the journey and at timss all will have to grab the baton and run....hopefully dragging others in the wake.

I for one think Jack will be a gun, but no question, we do need to see some more urgency in his work. Unfortnately he's not alone there - the same applies to Colin S

Richard Loudner 1987

Anthony Banick 1989

Stephen Hooper 1990

Three first draft picks that have worse playing records then Jack Watts found within 2 minutes of research

Scott Cummings well done

Richard Loudner 1987

Anthony Banick 1989

Stephen Hooper 1990

Three first draft picks that have worse playing records then Jack Watts found within 2 minutes of research

Scott Cummings well done

*Cartwheels*