the Che Guevara of Demonland is a flip flopper of John Kerry proportions.

That is funny Goodvibes, I must admit.

I readily admit I was sucked in by the fools gold that was Mark Neeld. Like many others, I just wanted so much for the magic wand of a new coaching appointment to make the stench of the past magically disappear.

I've since woken up.

Perhaps time to focus on the issue rather than the person, posters, and with a touch less arrogance in some cases.

That is funny Goodvibes, I must admit.

I readily admit I was sucked in by the fools gold that was Mark Neeld. Like many others, I just wanted so much for the magic wand of a new coaching appointment to make the stench of the past magically disappear.

I've since woken up.

Magic wand of a new appointment hey RR.... hmmmm.... sounds a little familiar...

What is your endgame?

The quicker you realise I am 3 kicks ahead in miles of space the better RR - I am no fool.

My endgame? The survival of the MFC. What's yours?

And I believe I have schooled you once before on a key issue concerning the club.

Once bitten Rpfc ...

To be taken with a grain of salt, but Sheehan thinks the wheels are already in motion, and both Schwab and Neeld will not see out the year.

That is funny Goodvibes, I must admit.

I readily admit I was sucked in by the fools gold that was Mark Neeld. Like many others, I just wanted so much for the magic wand of a new coaching appointment to make the stench of the past magically disappear.

I've since woken up.

So now you want a new magic wand? Or is that two or three magic wands?

Perhaps time to focus on the issue rather than the person, posters, and with a touch less arrogance in some cases.

The person in this instance is attempting to stir up an emotional supporter base, cash in on their vulnerable state and create further disunity at a time when we need to stick together. I have serious reservations about the coach and the CEO and the President etc etc etc. But it's round 2 FFS. Don't give in to the journalistic vultures and give them what they want. When I coach footy I coach my players to attack the ball but also coach them to attack the player and the ball! RR had prior op and tried to sell a dummy and got caught.

If the AFL offers help, take it. We need some outside review. Schwab is gone. NT Tourism is our big corporate sponsor... please.

Schwab is damaged goods. He mistreated Hankook and Kaspersky. Failed to get Nestle over the line, when I know it was very close.

To be taken with a grain of salt, but Sheehan thinks the wheels are already in motion, and both Schwab and Neeld will not see out the year.

this is the 3rd time i have heard the wheels are already in motion.

I hope so. I really believe we cannot wait till September. Watch Neeld's post game presser again. He is almost done Mentally, i fear for the mans health if this rolls all season.

To be taken with a grain of salt, but Sheehan thinks the wheels are already in motion, and both Schwab and Neeld will not see out the year.

Does he?

"my guess, the CEO - Cameron Schwab - and the coach (Mark Neeld) won't see the year out."

It's just guesswork, like everyone else.

My quote for the week and I kid you not.

""People only see the bad stuff, don't they?" Mike Sheahan On The Couch 8/4/13.

Hypocrite.

The person in this instance is attempting to stir up an emotional supporter base, cash in on their vulnerable state and create further disunity at a time when we need to stick together. I have serious reservations about the coach and the CEO and the President etc etc etc. But it's round 2 FFS. Don't give in to the journalistic vultures and give them what they want. When I coach footy I coach my players to attack the ball but also coach them to attack the player and the ball! RR had prior op and tried to sell a dummy and got caught.

An offensive post this one. Very, very weak.

I'll put it down to ignorance and leave it at that.

One more piece of news from me.

I was told bysomeone who works at the club, that the club was shocked over how many payers asked to e traded last year.

Some left, but there are still a handful who asked to leave , but are still playing in the team

it has to sylvia & frawley... !!?? watts & jetta maybe, garland ?? the ones with currency !

others too old..jamar -davey ..

My quote for the week and I kid you not.

""People only see the bad stuff, don't they?" Mike Sheahan On The Couch 8/4/13.

Hypocrite.

Yeah, thought that was a funny quote from a journo.

An offensive post this one. Very, very weak.

I'll put it down to ignorance and leave it at that.

Gee that is very good of you, what's wrong not another poster that doesn't agree with you sheesh!!!! how utterly dreadful

it has to sylvia & frawley... !!?? watts & jetta maybe, garland ?? the ones with currency !

others too old..jamar -davey ..

Who is the someone at the Club, oh him again Mr Unnamed Source...Garland, that's not even funny, and Jetta did not

If the AFL offers help, take it. We need some outside review. Schwab is gone. NT Tourism is our big corporate sponsor... please.

Schwab is damaged goods. He mistreated Hankook and Kaspersky. Failed to get Nestle over the line, when I know it was very close.

Can you elaborate?

An offensive post this one. Very, very weak.

I'll put it down to ignorance and leave it at that.

You'll leave it at that because you've got nothing. Take it as a compliment Rangey. I very rarely involve myself in personal spats but the pleasure you seem to be taking from this mess makes me sick. 99% of Demonland quite rightly vented post Saturday night and then got some perspective. You've viewed it as an opportunity to grandstand.

"If the AFL can help us in any way, absolutely we would seek assistance," he said. "But people keep saying we should get an administrator from the AFL to run our club. It's fanciful. It's ridiculous.

"The people sitting on our board are the CEO of the Bank of Queensland (Stuart Grimshaw); Guy Jalland, who is the legal counsel for James Packer; John Trotter, who is the ex-managing partner of Deloitte; Russell Howcroft, who is effectively running Channel 10; Karen Hayes, who runs the Guide Dogs Association of Victoria; and Peter Spargo, who is a successful businessman.

Don McLardy

You'll leave it at that because you've got nothing. Take it as a compliment Rangey. I very rarely involve myself in personal spats but the pleasure you seem to be taking from this mess makes me sick. 99% of Demonland quite rightly vented post Saturday night and then got some perspective. You've viewed it as an opportunity to grandstand.

You've got me all wrong. Completely, totally wrong.

As I said, ignorance.

Get Franco Cozzo!

You've got me all wrong. Completely, totally wrong.

As I said, ignorance.

If I've ignorantly got you all wrong then maybe it's time you offered a little substance to support your position. Glib crowd-pleasing one-liners and a couple of colour pictures doesn't really make your position clear. You were right at the beginning of this thread when you said we've hit rock bottom. Rock bottom is a dangerous dangerous place because people are tired and hurt and vulnerable. The way in which we fight our way out of this hole is very important. Your calls for a radical sink and all removal of key club personnel is disturbing. We've made alot of progress off the park over the past 5 years and our list (believe it or not) has some serious talent that may just become elite. Sacking Bailey straight after 186 was viewed by most as a mistake. Nothing was gained by making the decision so quickly and doing so via a phonecall was a disgrace. If Neeld isn't the right man then another coach will be found. If Schwab is the cancer (and seriously can people stop using this analogy) that so many claim he is then clearly his time will come within the next 6 - 9 months. McLardy is doing his best but his best may not be good enough but sacking him now reduces us to an even greater laughing stock than we are already. Calling upon the AFL to take over is distressing. To me, it says we've given up. Some very smart, experienced, influential, business savvy people support this club. We must be able to form a strong, dynamic board with vision and determination. You amongst others attacked the AFL for the way in which it dealt with the tanking saga and now you want to hand over the reigns to our club.

If I've ignorantly got you all wrong then maybe it's time you offered a little substance to support your position. Glib crowd-pleasing one-liners and a couple of colour pictures doesn't really make your position clear. You were right at the beginning of this thread when you said we've hit rock bottom. Rock bottom is a dangerous dangerous place because people are tired and hurt and vulnerable. The way in which we fight our way out of this hole is very important. Your calls for a radical sink and all removal of key club personnel is disturbing. We've made alot of progress off the park over the past 5 years and our list (believe it or not) has some serious talent that may just become elite. Sacking Bailey straight after 186 was viewed by most as a mistake. Nothing was gained by making the decision so quickly and doing so via a phonecall was a disgrace. If Neeld isn't the right man then another coach will be found. If Schwab is the cancer (and seriously can people stop using this analogy) that so many claim he is then clearly his time will come within the next 6 - 9 months. McLardy is doing his best but his best may not be good enough but sacking him now reduces us to an even greater laughing stock than we are already. Calling upon the AFL to take over is distressing. To me, it says we've given up. Some very smart, experienced, influential, business savvy people support this club. We must be able to form a strong, dynamic board with vision and determination. You amongst others attacked the AFL for the way in which it dealt with the tanking saga and now you want to hand over the reigns to our club.

It's a bitter, bitter pill to swallow, I understand. Embarrassing, humiliating. All of it.

Blame the people put us in this position. Not the media. And certainly not some poster on an Internet forum.

"If the AFL can help us in any way, absolutely we would seek assistance," he said. "But people keep saying we should get an administrator from the AFL to run our club. It's fanciful. It's ridiculous.

"The people sitting on our board are the CEO of the Bank of Queensland (Stuart Grimshaw); Guy Jalland, who is the legal counsel for James Packer; John Trotter, who is the ex-managing partner of Deloitte; Russell Howcroft, who is effectively running Channel 10; Karen Hayes, who runs the Guide Dogs Association of Victoria; and Peter Spargo, who is a successful businessman.

Don McLardy

you know whats wrong with this? not one "football" person.

On paper our f.d has a truck load of talent. We train next door to a top 8 side week in week out. So we know whats to be done on the field to climb the ladder.when mission arrived from the saints he stated how below par fitness wise our club was compared to the saints.has this bloke burnt out these guys before the season has started have they been fast tracked to much .The junction oval was below standard we have aami state of the art training facility . Just does not add up

If I've ignorantly got you all wrong then maybe it's time you offered a little substance to support your position. Glib crowd-pleasing one-liners and a couple of colour pictures doesn't really make your position clear. You were right at the beginning of this thread when you said we've hit rock bottom. Rock bottom is a dangerous dangerous place because people are tired and hurt and vulnerable. The way in which we fight our way out of this hole is very important. Your calls for a radical sink and all removal of key club personnel is disturbing. We've made alot of progress off the park over the past 5 years and our list (believe it or not) has some serious talent that may just become elite. Sacking Bailey straight after 186 was viewed by most as a mistake. Nothing was gained by making the decision so quickly and doing so via a phonecall was a disgrace. If Neeld isn't the right man then another coach will be found. If Schwab is the cancer (and seriously can people stop using this analogy) that so many claim he is then clearly his time will come within the next 6 - 9 months. McLardy is doing his best but his best may not be good enough but sacking him now reduces us to an even greater laughing stock than we are already. Calling upon the AFL to take over is distressing. To me, it says we've given up. Some very smart, experienced, influential, business savvy people support this club. We must be able to form a strong, dynamic board with vision and determination. You amongst others attacked the AFL for the way in which it dealt with the tanking saga and now you want to hand over the reigns to our club.

I get it, I really do. No sense in sacking unless you have somebody better ready to step up.

My problem is, how many weeks can the club sustain the "do-nothing" option before it looks totally out of touch with reality? If we get smashed by Weagles then lose to GWS, which seems highly likely, the "spin" of the past 2 days won't stand up. They need to develop a plan, or a series of contingency plans, that go deeper than "we're going to stick fat".

If they seriously can't do that now, then get help from someone who can. The "do-nothing" solution is as just as ludicrous and just as extreme as the "sack everyone" solution. The club leadership (such as it is) needs to talk of steps they're going to take.