On 07/02/2013 at 05:31, why you little said:

what?

Rangey back in the Cooler!!

This is worse than "Papillion"...

Yeah, get him back pronto!! he left without adding another option to his poll

"How long until I'm back in the doghouse"

Perhaps we can slip a stone hammer past the warden, he can hide it in his bible. Then he might be out before the NAB cup starts.

To combat the use of PEDs in sport you both a random drug testing system and for law enforcement to take an active interest.

Its hardly the AFL's fault that law enforcement has been asleep at the wheel up until 12 months ago when the Australian Crime Commission started the investigation that led to today's press conference.

For instance some of the substances mentioned are on the WADA banned list but are currently virtually impossible to test for. Thus it is only with law enforcement involvement that their use can be detected.

I am no expert but I would imagine that ACC has some powerful investigative powers such as phone taps and bugs and that they have been using those for 12 months to investigate PEDs/match fixing etc.

There will be some absolutely panicked AFL Club personnel and players tonight.

My take is that Caro can't wait for us to be charged, after which she will turn on Demetriou for incompetence and creating the conditions that allowed it all to happen. In view of everything else happening on his watch Demetriou will fall on his sword and finish up in disgrace.

  On 07/02/2013 at 12:51, Sydney Pennski said:

My take is that Caro can't wait for us to be charged, after which she will turn on Demetriou for incompetence and creating the conditions that allowed it all to happen. In view of everything else happening on his watch Demetriou will fall on his sword and finish up in disgrace.

She loves AD. Didn't she say tonight that he was an honest man who wouldn't lie (referencing the timing of Essendon fronting up to the AFL). I nearly spilt my tea!

Geez your polls annoy me, RR. Your bias is so clear when you create them that they don't actually measure anything except the extent to which your ridiculous options have tainted the result.

Surely, things have been unravelling at an alarming extent on his watch.

I'll respond to your poll once I see what he does with the media's "tanking trial".

  On 07/02/2013 at 05:30, hardtack said:

You mean 'ology :-) Funny how the "slander"/"conjecture" is allowed to go on unabated with regards to clubs, players and selected journos, yet CW is out of bounds.

Since the banning of certain posters has been raised here, let me assure everybody that we don't ban people here for no reason and in most cases the posters who are banned are multiple offenders with a record of being warned, often several times before a ban is invoked.

I have no respect for Caroline Wilson and have criticised her for her appalling comments and views that in some cases border on the idiotic and vexatious. However, I will not permit posters to cross the boundary with tasteless, misogynist schoolboy smut that could for legal reasons see the site closed down.

I'll also repeat that on threads that cover sensitive matters, our moderation standards will be tougher than normal and offending posts will be deleted and posters warned where warranted.

Now let's stick to the issues of the thread please.

  On 07/02/2013 at 12:53, longsuffering said:

She loves AD. Didn't she say tonight that he was an honest man who wouldn't lie (referencing the timing of Essendon fronting up to the AFL). I nearly spilt my tea!

Well might she have said that last night but she certainly seems to have some issues with the way he handled the Mifsud affair and she doesn't believe a word he said when he completely supported Bailey's coaching in the Jordan McMahon game. Remember, she's a journo and she reported those comments. If she's consistent and Melbourne does get charged, then she will have to point out the hypocrisy involved and if she doesn't, you can be sure that Patrick Smith will call for his blood over this. I wouldn't be surprised if Fitzpatrick cops it as well because of his apparent conflict of interest over the inactivity on allegations of tanking by Carlton stemming from the Kreuzer Cup year.

  On 07/02/2013 at 19:59, MO FINE said:

Well might she have said that last night but she certainly seems to have some issues with the way he handled the Mifsud affair and she doesn't believe a word he said when he completely supported Bailey's coaching in the Jordan McMahon game. Remember, she's a journo and she reported those comments. If she's consistent and Melbourne does get charged, then she will have to point out the hypocrisy involved and if she doesn't, you can be sure that Patrick Smith will call for his blood over this. I wouldn't be surprised if Fitzpatrick cops it as well because of his apparent conflict of interest over the inactivity on allegations of tanking by Carlton stemming from the Kreuzer Cup year.

Patrick Smith (on record) has already called for his blood if Melbourne is charged.

I will reserve judgement until two things are cleared up - the findings of how prevalent PEDs are in the AFL, and whether the public and private assurances of an AFL CEO towards a clubs actions in 2009 were worthless.

  On 07/02/2013 at 19:47, Whispering_Jack said:

Since the banning of certain posters has been raised here, let me assure everybody that we don't ban people here for no reason and in most cases the posters who are banned are multiple offenders with a record of being warned, often several times before a ban is invoked.

I have no respect for Caroline Wilson and have criticised her for her appalling comments and views that in some cases border on the idiotic and vexatious. However, I will not permit posters to cross the boundary with tasteless, misogynist schoolboy smut that could for legal reasons see the site closed down.

I'll also repeat that on threads that cover sensitive matters, our moderation standards will be tougher than normal and offending posts will be deleted and posters warned where warranted.

Now let's stick to the issues of the thread please.

Jack why don't you ban quickdraw?

is he related?

I am sure that Demitriou's salary package could be better spent, possibly by sharing it amongst the bottom six Clubs by allocating them $500,000+ each! That is what would be called a WIN-WIN outcome!

  On 08/02/2013 at 01:51, dee-luded said:

Jack why don't you ban quickdraw?

is he related?

If you have a complaint about a poster please PM.

I don't have any relatives named "quickdraw".

  On 10/02/2013 at 11:08, jnrmac said:

INteresting MacLachlan is the one doing the pressers (after the initial Canberra Grandstand).

Dimwit is running for cover perhaps.....

The papers up here in 'Canada' are saying the 'Grandstand' was organised by the NRL who convinced all the other codes to show up even though NRL is the one mainly in the gun of this ACC report.

6 NRL clubs investigated...

They are nervous up here.

3AW's Tom Elliott tweets that Andrew Demetriou just doesn't get it. Any other business that suffered the equivalent of tanking and widespread drug use in its ranks would see the CEO sacked, but is this likely at the AFL? For some reason it seems not.

Perhaps the Commission will do him a favour today and wipe the tanking stain off the books.

  On 10/02/2013 at 20:44, The Great Pretender said:

3AW's Tom Elliott tweets that Andrew Demetriou just doesn't get it. Any other business that suffered the equivalent of tanking and widespread drug use in its ranks would see the CEO sacked, but is this likely at the AFL? For some reason it seems not.

Perhaps the Commission will do him a favour today and wipe the tanking stain off the books.

The AFL Commission has not been involved in the investigation and won't be if McLachlan does not decide to charge us with anything.

It's up to him at the moment.

  On 10/02/2013 at 20:44, The Great Pretender said:

3AW's Tom Elliott tweets that Andrew Demetriou just doesn't get it. Any other business that suffered the equivalent of tanking and widespread drug use in its ranks would see the CEO sacked, but is this likely at the AFL? For some reason it seems not.

Perhaps the Commission will do him a favour today and wipe the tanking stain off the books.

I think it's Tom that doesn't get it.

Demetriou has no control over clubs that decide to run the gauntlet and flaunt the rules.

This is not a typical business.

In the case of PEDs, all he can do is create deterrents in the form of laws to punish those that do.

And put better framework in place to catch them.

Obviously AFL is not alone in being prone to PED use.

In the case of tanking, the rules need to be adjusted as an incentive was created, but they served the competition for a lengthy period.

It is only the efforts of the media to shift public opinion that has seen "tanking" practices become unsavoury in recent years.

I don't see what AD has done so wrong.

  On 10/02/2013 at 20:44, The Great Pretender said:

3AW's Tom Elliott tweets that Andrew Demetriou just doesn't get it. Any other business that suffered the equivalent of tanking and widespread drug use in its ranks would see the CEO sacked, but is this likely at the AFL? For some reason it seems not.

Perhaps the Commission will do him a favour today and wipe the tanking stain off the books.

As his father would say to the Salary cap ,

Pigs Arse!

I tend to think, anyone who takes on the job of running the AFL, is on a hiding to nothing, given the passions that run so deep with the majority of "shareholders", not to mention obvious vested interests of those "shareholders".

That said, I can think of no other CEO, earning the salary that AD earns, of a similar size business to the AFL, who would not escape severe scrutiny, were that business to receive a similar level of negative publicity as the AFL has done recently. In fact, I can think of no other CEO, who would earn as much as AD, for running a similar size business as the AFL.

Of course, I stand to be corrected on that score.

Demetriou to bring integrity to AFL

Am I the only one who finds the existence of such a tabloid headline as mirth to the nth !!

So much of that which the AFL finds itself dealing with it purely as a result of Vlad and his empire deciding to go down certain paths. They created the environment whereby you reward losers. They had head firmly ( somewhere ) and pretended drugs just didnt exist.

and we have now !!

Laughable really