Glad you could afford a taxi......I couldn't then and so ran the gauntlet......"When the drink is in the brain goes missing" my old mum used to say...........With that reading it just shows that LJ's judgement was very poor.....So he drove....

Which doesn't make it one millionth of a percent better! Risking innocent peoples lives is wrong, please stop defending the indefensible.

Liam is in a bad place right now because HE chose to go back home last year on a friday night.

He left a very supporting network that even went to his home so as to understand his life better.

When Liam left on that friday night he knew what was going to occur, but he kept walking.

He made the choice to leave this support group & ever since then it has gone from bad to worse.

He blew it.

Sorry mate.....but you and I have no bloody idea about the issues he faces.....From a white, middle class point of view, with our three bedroom houses in the suburbs, our education and our social networks which most of us have had the privlege to have. His leaving a very supporting network means a lot to us but maybe not to him.....Did he know what was going to occur or did he return home to assist his family in the middle of a civil war....If you were living with the eskimos,would you return if your family were in trouble...Bloody oath you would.....It is easy to criticise when your safe and sound ......

Which doesn't make it one millionth of a percent better! Risking innocent peoples lives is wrong, please stop defending the indefensible.

I,m not saying its good Rob......I've been to many fatals......I am just saying that when your mind is that befuddled it is easy to take the easy way out.....Not defending it at all....

yes he did .27 on P Plates.

He should be looking at jail for that. P Plates is 00 last time i asked a young un.

Your old mum was right, and i am no angel. But .27 is a big drink...

Yes it is....And no doubt if he had injured or killed someone he would be looking at a lot of gaol time.....

i'm slightly concerned you took my joke seriously.

Obviously your attempts at humour need more effort.

People seem to be confusing 'making excuses for Jurrah' with 'understanding how he might have done this'.

Clearly anyone whose judgment is so bad that they drive when totally p!ssed for whatever reason (drink, mental instability, psychopath, homicidal maniac, whatever) should be taken off the roads for the safety of the rest of us and in many cases thrown in the slammer. But you can still try to understand why things came to such a pass without in any way condoning it.

BTW I am almost a tee-totaller and about as anti-booze and driving as any wowser you could hope not to meet.

Sorry mate.....but you and I have no bloody idea about the issues he faces.....From a white, middle class point of view, with our three bedroom houses in the suburbs, our education and our social networks which most of us have had the privlege to have. His leaving a very supporting network means a lot to us but maybe not to him.....Did he know what was going to occur or did he return home to assist his family in the middle of a civil war....If you were living with the eskimos,would you return if your family were in trouble...Bloody oath you would.....It is easy to criticise when your safe and sound ......

i have spent time time up North in the Kimberley so i am not totally 3 bedroom suburban brick veneer.

If you think Liam went back home up north last year to innocently visit his family that is your opinion.

What happened was a bloody riot in Alice over 48 hours. It was pre planned.

People seem to be confusing 'making excuses for Jurrah' with 'understanding how he might have done this'.

Clearly anyone whose judgment is so bad that they drive when totally p!ssed for whatever reason (drink, mental instability, psychopath, homicidal maniac, whatever) should be taken off the roads for the safety of the rest of us and in many cases thrown in the slammer. But you can still try to understand why things came to such a pass without in any way condoning it.

i have already said i feel sorry for Liam, but he has been given A Grade assistance on many levels on numerous occasions and it is he who has walked away every time.

There comes a time.

Liam is in a bad place right now because HE chose to go back home last year on a friday night.

He left a very supporting network that even went to his home so as to understand his life better.

When Liam left on that friday night he knew what was going to occur, but he kept walking.

He made the choice to leave this support group & ever since then it has gone from bad to worse.

He blew it.

You say that from your point of view. You don't know what goes on in that community and nor do I. However, I don't claim to have the absolutely correct moral judgement on all of this. What might or might not have been is all speculation and leave that for the stock market. Don't feel sorry for him if you like, though I do and won't back away from that, but don't celebrate what has happened either (I'm not saying you are doing that WYL, that is the tone of some of what has happened on this thread so far). We all should recognize that this is a scenario well beyond football where there are no winners. There are only losers.

You say that from your point of view. You don't know what goes on in that community and nor do I. However, I don't claim to have the absolutely correct moral judgement on all of this. What might or might not have been is all speculation and leave that for the stock market. Don't feel sorry for him if you like, though I do and won't back away from that, but don't celebrate what has happened either (I'm not saying you are doing that WYL, that is the tone of some of what has happened on this thread so far). We all should recognize that this is a scenario well beyond football where there are no winners. There are only losers.

No i am not celebrating Colin, far from it, but like a family member or a friend who keeps F$&@king up there comes a time when sympathy is no longer there.

He has thrown it all away.

but I readily accept that Jurrah's circumstances can't be understood by 99% of those reading this forum.

I think you're one percent out.

It was pre-planned.

..When Liam left on that friday night he knew what was going to occur.

So much knowledge ! I presume you'll be testifying in court ..

No i am not celebrating Colin, far from it, but like a family member or a friend who keeps F$&@king up there comes a time when sympathy is no longer there.

He has thrown it all away.

It's been reported that he's suffering from depression.

Do people here know what it's like to be battling such an illness?

I'm not justifying what he's done. If you're that tanked you face a heavy fine and lose your licence but please have some sympathy for what the man is going through at the present time. If he is suffering from depression or something similar then he might not be fully in control and he and those around him need support rather than contempt.

Without defending or criticizing Liam, he was a Player whose ability and recklessness on the field was admired by most.

We wear the clothes we do, talk the way we do, eat what we eat and have the beliefs we do because of the direct environment we were exposed to during our development.

Right or wrong, Liam was influenced his entire youth by a very differant set of beliefs, morals and laws of life to what a lot of people are.

It's been reported that he's suffering from depression.Do people here know what it's like to be battling such an illness?I'm not justifying what he's done. If you're that tanked you face a heavy fine and lose your licence but please have some sympathy for what the man is going through at the present time. If he is suffering from depression or something similar then he might not be fully in control and he and those around him need support rather than contempt.

Sorry WJ but drink driving at.27 is not acceptable to me regardless of ones state of mind.

Sorry WJ but drink driving at.27 is not acceptable to me regardless of ones state of mind.

Nor with me if you check my post.

It still doesn't justify kicking a bloke when he's suffering the sort of illness he's reported to have.

Nor with me if you check my post. It still doesn't justify kicking a bloke when he's suffering the sort of illness he's reported to have.

but i am not. I feel sad for him. LJ is kicking himself. Just imagine if he had taken someone out?

Fair bit of first world judgement on an ancient culture going on here.

No, I don't have the answer - anyone who says they do are a fool or a zealot - but blind freddy can see how Liam is stuck between different circumstances.

I hope he can find peace and can live well one way or the other.

I don't care if football is a part of that healing process. But well done to his former team mates for trying to help him out.

I can confirm that he is suffering from depression and has been for a while. Has been on suicidal watch too btw.

I can confirm that he is suffering from depression and has been for a while. Has been on suicidal watch too btw.

Well that is no good and i wish him recovery...But it's obvious he is not being watched enough.

Fair bit of first world judgement on an ancient culture going on here.

No, I don't have the answer - anyone who says they do are a fool or a zealot - but blind freddy can see how Liam is stuck between different circumstances.

I hope he can find peace and can live well one way or the other.

I don't care if football is a part of that healing process. But well done to his former team mates for trying to help him out.

ah for gods sake , ancient culture , , my foot , what culture ? tell me please , the current culture that they have has been created by apologists , chucking cash and sob stories , its like poor you its all our fault do wrong its ok , we understand , ffs its 2013 , not , 1925 there are some very clever , smart and talented aboriginals out there and well done to them , , but the huge majority are living a poor me slant on life , , with all the help and support they get , why not stick the hand up and say , hey i wanna be better , my daughter put herself thru uni by working hard at part time jobs , no help from the gov , , jeez dont tell me they do it hard , , ggggrrrrrrrr

^ result of being placed in an induced comma.

ah for gods sake , ancient culture , , my foot , what culture ? tell me please , the current culture that they have has been created by apologists , chucking cash and sob stories , its like poor you its all our fault do wrong its ok , we understand , ffs its 2013 , not , 1925 there are some very clever , smart and talented aboriginals out there and well done to them , , but the huge majority are living a poor me slant on life , , with all the help and support they get , why not stick the hand up and say , hey i wanna be better , my daughter put herself thru uni by working hard at part time jobs , no help from the gov , , jeez dont tell me they do it hard , , ggggrrrrrrrr

My sons are doing the same as your daughter. I have worked my arse off to get where I am (such as it is). That's not the bloody point.

Its not a sob story, its about judging each case on its merits. Liam comes from a tribal society in the outback. You ever been there?

FFS I said nobody other than idiots or zealots claim to have the answer. You have just proven me correct you stupid ignoramous.

My sons are doing the same as your daughter. I have worked my arse off to get where I am (such as it is). That's not the bloody point.

Its not a sob story, its about judging each case on its merits. Liam comes from a tribal society in the outback. You ever been there?

FFS I said nobody other than idiots or zealots claim to have the answer. You have just proven me correct you stupid ignoramous.

hold fire there lefty , first things first , ok , re culture , tell me all about that , sorta like aztec , roman , nord , french , etc etc , , well lefty im sorry to break this news to you , but it is a case of handouts spoil people , and yes i know they have been up against it , my younger brother taught school in alice springs for a few years and then nylumby , sic , and tho he never said so i thought he was wasting his time , , just face the fact that , no i wont go there , sorry , but i live in the counrty in the same city as geoff clark former head of atsic and i seen him in action years ago not pretty , i seen his culture first hand , , nice , dont bother with the racist card , im not like that at all , i just call it as i see it ok ,

hold fire there lefty , first things first , ok , re culture , tell me all about that , sorta like aztec , roman , nord , french , etc etc , , well lefty im sorry to break this news to you , but it is a case of handouts spoil people , and yes i know they have been up against it , my younger brother taught school in alice springs for a few years and then nylumby , sic , and tho he never said so i thought he was wasting his time , , just face the fact that , no i wont go there , sorry , but i live in the counrty in the same city as geoff clark former head of atsic and i seen him in action years ago not pretty , i seen his culture first hand , , nice , dont bother with the racist card , im not like that at all , i just call it as i see it ok ,

OK, we'll disagree then. Apologies for the name calling - let's move on.