It's not going away mate.

I understand that, but the club must hold their stance. They may argue that individuals have taken it upon themselves if there's enough evidence, but they must deny that there was any club directive.

Not pushing divisiveness Really??

Yes, really. My view is that we should get behind the club and if this involves holding Schwab and others to account than so be it.

For years people on here have been unable to differentiate the club and the board. Did you know that Schwab used to be a Richmond supporter?

It's fine if you don't agree with me, but that doesn't make me any more divisive than you are.

without resorting to unsustainable donation drives. Hardly an indictment.

This is where you're disingenuous. The Garnder Board couldn't see how the crippling debt and its interest charges would be eliminated. It was one of their biggest challenges and they were at a loss as to how to eradicate it. Yet you want to belittle the effort.

It doesn't serve you well, but you're good at keeping in character.

You do realise that the people on here are hard core Demon supporters very worried about the dilema that their club now faces. What do you expect your finger pointing and blaming to achieve

Yes, really. My view is that we should get behind the club and if this involves holding Schwab and others to account than so be it.

For years people on here have been unable to differentiate the club and the board. Did you know that Schwab used to be a Richmond supporter?

It's fine if you don't agree with me, but that doesn't make me any more divisive than you are.

Oh those responsible need to be held to account , sure enough just don't know that right this minute is the right time. Might be a good idea to try and minimise the damage first

Is this Demonland's fastest ever 50?

I understand that, but the club must hold their stance. They may argue that individuals have taken it upon themselves if there's enough evidence, but they must deny that there was any club directive.

The whole vault would have to do that. And they would have to do that without giving conflicting evidence. And they would have to do that even with the knowledge that there have already been leaks. And they would have to do that even with the knowledge that they can't trust each other. And they would have to put their careers at great risk and possibly even perjure themselves.

Alternatively, Schwab, McClardy, Connolly and the other bad eggs can fess up and take their medicine and just maybe the club will get through this. I can't see them doing it willingly though.

Is this Demonland's fastest ever 50?

Not if the repetative, tedious posts from Hazy, ADC, Robbie F et al are removed

This is where you're disingenuous. The Garnder Board couldn't see how the crippling debt and its interest charges would be eliminated. It was one of their biggest challenges and they were at a loss as to how to eradicate it. Yet you want to belittle the effort.

It doesn't serve you well, but you're good at keeping in character.

Yeah, I'm sure a tin rattle never occurred to them. Good luck with that line, champ.

Yeah, I'm sure a tin rattle never occurred to them. Good luck with that line, champ.

that 'tin rattle' saved the club, and is being replicated by a heap of other clubs.

Also, show some respect to the passionate supporters who are happy tp back he club financially.

Oh those responsible need to be held to account , sure enough just don't know that right this minute is the right time. Might be a good idea to try and minimise the damage first

I would say the sooner the better. We can still have a say in the result if we are willing to co-operate before our hands are forced.

Popular view of who should be blamed for the current MFC crisis:

Wilson

Demetriou

McLean

Denham

Faceless men

Bailey

Gardner

Me

The boogie

Popular view of who should not be blamed for the current MFC crisis:

The guys who have been running the show for the last 4 years

Sunshine

Moolight

Good times

Don't forget Cale Morton......

that 'tin rattle' saved the club, and is being replicated by a heap of other clubs.

Also, show some respect to the passionate supporters who are happy tp back he club financially.

I have the greatest respect for all of the everyday supporters who contribute to the club by donating their time and money and those who continue to purchase memberships, particularly when things are as bleak as they have been for the last few years.

What does that have to do with anything?

Don't forget Cale Morton......

I came so close to adding him.

Yes, really. My view is that we should get behind the club and if this involves holding Schwab and others to account than so be it.

Yes really My view is we should get behind the club and if that means supporting McLardy and Schwab at this time of crisis despite their short-comings then so be it.

Alternatively, Schwab, McClardy, Connolly and the other bad eggs can fess up and take their medicine ...

See this is where I get confused - I thought you supported tanking but not our implementation of it.

Yes really My view is we should get behind the club and if that means supporting McLardy and Schwab at this time of crisis despite their short-comings then so be it.

Obviously I don't agree with your assessment of what's best for the club but your comment is fair enough.

Do you also think it would be best for the club to retain McLardy and Schwab in the longer term?

I don't think our view counts for much, if anything in terms of real outcome.

See this is where I get confused - I thought you supported tanking but not our implementation of it.

I'm not sure I see the inconsistency. I am talking in practical terms here. I wouldn't have wanted them to admit to it if they could have pulled it off professionally in the first place.

When I say "fundraising" i'm talking about "holding the cap out to supporters".

I am certainly not referring to corporate relations/sponsorship, efficient business practices nor anything else that could be considered "financial acumen".

'Holding the cap out' was a means to climb out of an existing financial mire.

The 'financial acumen' is staying there. So far so good.

Funny thing I think both boards have a lot to answer for, I'm interested in how we fix this going forward for no other reason than I want the club to be a success.

exactly. The past is done.

How the hell do we repair this trainwreck??

Oh those responsible need to be held to account , sure enough just don't know that right this minute is the right time. Might be a good idea to try and minimise the damage first

the AFL are the ones who set this system up (draft) & then let it be manipulated when it suited them.

This, is the reason why things got out of control. They, should sack themselves. allowing favors here and there, corrupts the system.

Obviously I don't agree with your assessment of what's best for the club but your comment is fair enough.

Do you also think it would be best for the club to retain McLardy and Schwab in the longer term?

I've got significant reservations but the immediate key for me is about our best current course of action in relation to the tanking issue.

In my view, the best chance we have of preventing our club from being completely crippled is for the guilty parties to go to the AFL

Aye, two birds with the one stone - if that comes to pass you should buy a Powerball ticket.

Yeah, I'm sure a tin rattle never occurred to them. Good luck with that line, champ.

A previous Board member talked about the insurmountable challenge of the debt on this very site.

Were they lying ?

A previous Board member talked about the insurmountable challenge of the debt on this very site.

Were they lying ?

No....just couldnt see the blue sky for the haze most likely