Touche. Used the wrong word.

That said no need to be hater of the messenger. Just passing on something I read.

It would be easier for you to just say you read something on BF that said...................... Then pose the question, "does anyone think that is a chance of happening"? That should save the angst.

Jesse Hogan (future big fwd star in the making) = MFC pick 3 trade in Mini Draft ... lock it in. Maybe we pinch back their 3rd round pick around number 43.

... just to restate. Control tower to AAMI centre MFC HQ.

WE MISSED JACK DARLING. DO NOT MISS JESSE HOGAN. (turn up the volume)

I love this time of year and hate it at the same time.

FFS, don't say something is a rumour when it isn't. Also, if someone is posting a rumour it should be incumbent on them to say where it's come from. They don't have to give a name, but at least a direction. I don't want any of this "I've heard" crap.

I love this time of year and hate it at the same time.

FFS, don't say something is a rumour when it isn't. Also, if someone is posting a rumour it should be incumbent on them to say where it's come from. They don't have to give a name, but at least a direction. I don't want any of this "I've heard" crap.

I have heard a rumour is coming in from the south west soon.

I love how many people got riled up about tyson vickery...he any relation to tyrone vickery who also plays for richmond (occasionally)

Would we be willing to give up picks 3 and 4 to get MD1 MD2?

Hogan up forward, martin in the middle, still have a chance to get kennedy or stringer at 13 and viney of course and make it official we plan on opening the window in2015 onwards

I love how many people got riled up about tyson vickery...he any relation to tyrone vickery who also plays for richmond (occasionally)

Would we be willing to give up picks 3 and 4 to get MD1 MD2?

Hogan up forward, martin in the middle, still have a chance to get kennedy or stringer at 13 and viney of course and make it official we plan on opening the window in2015 onwards

Dont think that Neeld has that long to invest in 2 17yr olds.

Tonatopia would have a field day if the MFC did that.

Dont think that Neeld has that long to invest in 2 17yr olds.

Tonatopia would have a field day if the MFC did that.

I think our interest would definitely lye with Hogan as he seems capable to doing a Jack darling in 2014, and missing both picks 3-4 for a year wont help Neelds course.

He knows he needs players who can help him now otherwise year 3 might be his last. I think players like Mayes, Wines, Toumpas and O'rouke will make a much bigger impact when Neeld needs them to, straight away.

I think our interest would definitely lye with Hogan as he seems capable to doing a Jack darling in 2014, and missing both picks 3-4 for a year wont help Neelds course.

He knows he needs players who can help him now otherwise year 3 might be his last. I think players like Mayes, Wines, Toumpas and O'rouke will make a much bigger impact when Neeld needs them to, straight away.

This has set me thinking about how much control the coach (of any team) has/should have over drafting, delistings etc. Clearly the coach has a role to specify needs etc. My recollection is that List Managers were introduced to protect against a coach making short-term decisions that are in his (contract) interest rather than the Club's future interest. I am an unabashed Neeld fan and believe he is planning for the long haul. However, reading DL threads I am beginning to wonder whether in practice, the MFC has abdicated its List Management to the coach?

Edited September 18, 201212 yr by Lucifer's Hero

This has set me thinking about how much control the coach (of any team) has/should have over drafting, delistings etc. Clearly the coach has a role to specify needs etc. My recollection is that List Managers were introduced to protect against a coach making short-term decisions that are in his (contract) interest rather than the Club's future interest. I am an unabashed Neeld fan and believe he is planning for the long haul. However, reading DL threads I am beginning to wonder whether in practice, the MFC has abdicated its List Management to the coach?

Received an email yesterday thanking me for membership etc etc. Contained in the letter were words to the effect that we are only a short way into the plan.ie. I dont think Neeld and football dept is thinking "short , short term". I have a strong feeling they will try as hard as they can to get Hogan and if we miss someone will pay overs and we will still have a very good hand. The football dept have had a long time to think all this through and I trust we will fill a few gaps.

I think our interest would definitely lye with Hogan as he seems capable to doing a Jack darling in 2014, and missing both picks 3-4 for a year wont help Neelds course.

Taking 2 17yos would be the riskier option, but without knowing the plans for free agents, mature draftees and trading its very hard to presume anything. If they think Martin / Hogan are better than Toumpas, Grundy, wines, stringer, o'rourke etc surely anything is possible.

Nightmare on BF rates Hogan as number #5 and Martin as #4 from the 2013 draft crop.

1. Thomas Boyd (VIC - KPF)

2. James Aish (SA - MID)

3. Luke McDonald (VIC - UTIL – NM F/S) – Minidraft eligible but likely will choose not to enter due to F/S.

4. Jack Martin (WA - UTIL) – Minidraft eligible

5. Jesse Hogan (WA - KPF) – Minidraft eligible

6. Matt Crouch (VIC - MID) – Minidraft eligible

7. Josh Kelly (VIC - MID) – Minidraft eligible

8. Jack Billings (VIC - FWD)

9. Matt Scharenberg (SA – MID/DEF)

10.James Tsitas (VIC – Mid)

SO if we picked up Hogan in the mini-draft he would spend 2013 training with MFC and playing for Casey?

SO if we picked up Hogan in the mini-draft he would spend 2013 training with MFC and playing for Casey?

Yes

Nightmare on BF rates Hogan as number #5 and Martin as #4 from the 2013 draft crop.

1. Thomas Boyd (VIC - KPF)

2. James Aish (SA - MID)

3. Luke McDonald (VIC - UTIL – NM F/S) – Minidraft eligible but likely will choose not to enter due to F/S.

4. Jack Martin (WA - UTIL) – Minidraft eligible

5. Jesse Hogan (WA - KPF) – Minidraft eligible

6. Matt Crouch (VIC - MID) – Minidraft eligible

7. Josh Kelly (VIC - MID) – Minidraft eligible

8. Jack Billings (VIC - FWD)

9. Matt Scharenberg (SA – MID/DEF)

10.James Tsitas (VIC – Mid)

This is it, i used to think that the MD offered clubs some value at the top end, eg GC getting o'meara who was a clear number 1 pick for pick 4 and a bit. But we will be paying exact value on a prospect 12 months out of his draft? or more ect

I know this is just KM opinion of the next draft but i like his work and the players he has ahead of Hogan are meant to be ace, Boyd being a huge KPF in the mould of Brown/Patton and Aish being the exceptional midfielder and Mcdonald being of similar value to Viney, but taller and can play as a utility so Hogan could slip into the top 3 but paying pick 4 is right on his value imo, and that is without the change we may need to offer

Picking up Hogan and have him play a year at Casey is hopefully the plan of MFC. Oh how I yearn for a potent attack

If boyd were available to us i would say get him instead but he isn't.

Next year the bottom 2 will look very similair IMO hopefully we will be somewher around 14 meaning we wont have a snowballs chance of getting boyd.

Why wouldn't we take the BEST rated forward AVAILABLE since we are likely to miss out next year?

Hopefully the midfielder we take with our first rounder will be equal to an o'rourke or stringer

Claremont's matchday report from Sunday: http://www.claremontfc.com.au/colts-sharks-beat-gallant-tigers/

On top of the raw stats, Hogan sprayed another shot out-of-bounds, had five additional score involvements and "soared to capture an excellent high mark before kicking his fourth goal."

Drafting a player 2 seasons from now doesn't interest me much, even more so when it has no affect on getting Viney with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

I'd like to think Neeld is doing everything possible to have this team as competitive as possible round 1 next season.

Claremont's matchday report from Sunday: http://www.claremont...gallant-tigers/

On top of the raw stats, Hogan sprayed another shot out-of-bounds, had five additional score involvements and "soared to capture an excellent high mark before kicking his fourth goal."

dont know what the fuss with this bloke.., watched him in the champs and he sprayed his shots at goal. yeah he can mark etc but while we are at it lets get brad miller back.

we must keep pick 3 and 4 and spend it on Toumpas or Wines

Drafting a player 2 seasons from now doesn't interest me much, even more so when it has no affect on getting Viney with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

I'd like to think Neeld is doing everything possible to have this team as competitive as possible round 1 next season.

Why ? What are you expecting next season ?

Do you think Adelaide supporters are now concerned that they waited a year to see Dangerfield play ? If we're holding up the cup in 2017 with Hogan dominating I doubt you'll be too concerned that Hogan played at Casey for a year in 2013.

dont know what the fuss with this bloke.., watched him in the champs and he sprayed his shots at goal. yeah he can mark etc but while we are at it lets get brad miller back.

we must keep pick 3 and 4 and spend it on Toumpas or Wines

The fuss is he is exactly what we need. Or we could keep hoping Cook puts on a kilo or twenty.

Taking 2 17yos would be the riskier option, but without knowing the plans for free agents, mature draftees and trading its very hard to presume anything. If they think Martin / Hogan are better than Toumpas, Grundy, wines, stringer, o'rourke etc surely anything is possible.

The thing about this is if we were to go Martin and Hogan, the MFC would have a year with them to get acquainted with the club and players, ala Viney. They'd be raring to go come 2014. Part of me doesn't want to wait that long, but the other half says, no short cuts.

dont know what the fuss with this bloke.., watched him in the champs and he sprayed his shots at goal. yeah he can mark etc but while we are at it lets get brad miller back.

we must keep pick 3 and 4 and spend it on Toumpas or Wines

I wasn't sold from highlight reels I had seen, but went on Sunday and saw him in the flesh and liked in fact no loved what I saw, the kid knows how to play, worked hard hit every contest hard and had a nice bit of mongrel & arrogance which was not over the Top

Jesse Hogan (future big fwd star in the making) = MFC pick 3 trade in Mini Draft ... lock it in. Maybe we pinch back GWS 3rd round pick around number 43.

... just to restate. Control tower to AAMI centre MFC HQ.

WE MISSED JACK DARLING. DO NOT MISS JESSE HOGAN.

Nightmare on BF rates Hogan as number #5 and Martin as #4 from the 2013 draft crop.

1. Thomas Boyd (VIC - KPF)

2. James Aish (SA - MID)

3. Luke McDonald (VIC - UTIL – NM F/S) – Minidraft eligible but likely will choose not to enter due to F/S.

4. Jack Martin (WA - UTIL) – Minidraft eligible

5. Jesse Hogan (WA - KPF) – Minidraft eligible

6. Matt Crouch (VIC - MID) – Minidraft eligible

7. Josh Kelly (VIC - MID) – Minidraft eligible

8. Jack Billings (VIC - FWD)

9. Matt Scharenberg (SA – MID/DEF)

10.James Tsitas (VIC – Mid)

So Boyd or Aish to us next year?

[channeling Bluey]