You know how i'm a Melbourne Supporter? Because i'm talking about the Draft.

So the Phantom Drafts around the traps are looking at a 3# Viney #4 Grundy Combo.

Grundy being another tall lad.

A couple of Mock's are then calling Oliver Wines in for 5th.

"In my opinion Wines sits right alongside Melbourne father/son prospect Jack Viney as arguably the most AFL ready player entering this year’s draft. But more importantly for us, as a fantasy prospect, I think his game will also translate as well as anyone’s.

Wines is a powerfully built midfielder with a physique that reminds me a lot of Patrick Dangerfield. Immediately you will notice his exceptional body size."

And from all reports just a genuine Mid, which we need.

Thoughts?

a must pick! along with toumpas. have watched him play and reminds me of scotty thompson.

Does he have pace? That's what we are really missing in our mids.

  On 16/08/2012 at 03:59, hardtack said:

Does he have pace? That's what we are really missing in our mids.

Toumpas yes, Wines no

If Toumbas somehow falls through to us then #3 Viney 4# Toumpas is a must.

If not, i take #3 Viney 4# Wines as a brutal duo.

3. Toumpas, 4. Wines, 13. Vlastuin and 25. Viney is my perfect draft.

  On 16/08/2012 at 03:59, hardtack said:

Does he have pace? That's what we are really missing in our mids.

Not quick. Ben Kennedy or Sam Mayes might be considered. From Bigfooty Mock Draft

13. Melbourne (compensation pick) - Oliver Wines (Midfielder)

Height: 185cm

Weight: 83kg

Club: Bendigo Pioneers

Range: 5-20

Description: Wines would challenge Viney for the title of best inside midfielder in this draft. He's a fair bit bigger than Viney and isn't afraid to crash in with his big frame. Has pretty good endurance so can run all day but isn't overly quick. He's a decent kick without being anything special and at Champs it would have been nice to see him convert a bit more of his oportunities in front of goal.He could be a viable option for GC if they really want a pure ball winner but I think they'll just go best available and pick inside mids later.

4. Melbourne (compensation pick) - Sam Mayes (Midfielder/Forward)

Height: 187cm

Weight: 78kg

Club: North Adelaide

Range: 4-12

Description:

I may be alone here but IMO Mayes will become the best player in this draft. Absolutely love the way he goes about his footy. He has one of, if not the very best kick in this draft pool. Top notch kick. Has a lot of versatility with his development beginning as a lead-up forward where he dominated at champs last year. This year has turned into a more full-time midfielder. Has copped some heavy defensive attention this year so is very highly rated. Last year playing forward he had the ability to get great separation from his defender and whilst I haven't really seen him use this burst as a midfielder as much he always seems to have an eternity. I think he compares pretty favorably to Pendlebury in this regard.

7. Port Adelaide - Ben Kennedy (Midfielder/Forward)

Height: 174cm

Weight: 76kg

Club: Glenelg

Range: 6-25

Description:

Kennedy is a lightning quick midfielder/small forward. Is very much capable of doing both to a very high level. Can rack up a huge number of possession through the midfield or kick bags of goals in the forward line. If he was bigger would be a certain top 10 IMO and is still a chance to go there. By all accounts was very close to being selected by Adelaide with the mini-draft pick last year so that gives an idea of where he is at. One thing I really like about him for a guy who has the assets he does is he has a touch of arrogance. (Maybe more than a touch) Just has that I’m going to be able to burn you off look in his eyes when he sizes his opponent up.

i understand that this guy has serious talent, however, i don't see the point of potentially picking two of the same player (wines and viney) with the first two picks. we already have jones, mckenzie, sylvia, gysberts and to an extent, moloney, as ball winners and desperately require outside runners. someone like mayes would be a much better option.

Worth bottling

  On 16/08/2012 at 04:08, mephis said:

If Toumbas somehow falls through to us then #3 Viney 4# Toumpas is a must.

If not, i take #3 Viney 4# Wines as a brutal duo.

Firstly, I would be shocked if someone bids Viney for 1 or 2 as that will throw 2 of Whitfield, Grundy and Toumpas our way.

Secondly, Wines would be great for some quality around the ball, but I cant imagine him going before any of the 3 above - so taking Toumpas, Viney AND Wines may be a little too much of a similar thing.

I think Toumpas will almost certainly become a Demon at the end of the year, but I doubt we'll take Wines as well.

I think Wines is the best kid in this draft.

Reminds me of Dustin Martin, very dual sides, well balanced kid.

The only thing is, both Wines and Viney play the exact same roles

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We need Viney to slip, so then we can take Toupas/Grundy and Wines.

Add Viney in - and an outside midfielder at 11-12, Garlett/Simpson or Kennedy.

  On 16/08/2012 at 19:17, Demon 16 said:

Wines would be great for some quality around the ball, but I cant imagine him going before any of the 3 above - so taking Toumpas, Viney AND Wines may be a little too much of a similar thing.

Do you think Carlton would like two Chris Judds, or the Cats two Joel Selwoods, or Essendon another Jobe ? If Viney and Wines are both good enough they're worthy of getting.

I understand the need for speed, but Viney has good break away pace from a stoppage, someone like Toumpas, or O'Rourke have good speed and Blease will get more midfield time next year.

Even by their names Viney and Wines are a match made in heaven, but importantly they're both leaders. Wines captains Bendigo and has captained Vic Country, add Toumpas, who Captained SA and we are building a club that has leaders with talent.

Trengove, Grimes, Viney, Toumpas and Wines works for me. Add Caddy and we'd have the best midfield in the competition in 5 years. And that's how you win flags.

  On 16/08/2012 at 19:17, Demon 16 said:

Firstly, I would be shocked if someone bids Viney for 1 or 2 as that will throw 2 of Whitfield, Grundy and Toumpas our way.

Secondly, Wines would be great for some quality around the ball, but I cant imagine him going before any of the 3 above - so taking Toumpas, Viney AND Wines may be a little too much of a similar thing.

I think Toumpas will almost certainly become a Demon at the end of the year, but I doubt we'll take Wines as well.

They will force us to take Viney, i guarantee you.

  On 16/08/2012 at 07:15, You said:

i understand that this guy has serious talent, however, i don't see the point of potentially picking two of the same player (wines and viney) with the first two picks. we already have jones, mckenzie, sylvia, gysberts and to an extent, moloney, as ball winners and desperately require outside runners. someone like mayes would be a much better option

The modern game, and MFC, needs classy midfielders badly. If the two were key position players, then maybe it would be a mistake drafting both. As they are midfielders, get them both, and a couple more.

  On 17/08/2012 at 01:51, mephis said:

They will force us to take Viney, i guarantee you.

I doubt that. Whitfileld is the clear #1, GWS will not risk losing him. GC are another matter but I don't think they will nominate Viney.

Should either of them nominate Viney, we should look them straight in trhe eye and pass.

  On 17/08/2012 at 01:57, John Dee said:

I doubt that. Whitfileld is the clear #1, GWS will not risk losing him. GC are another matter but I don't think they will nominate Viney.

Should either of them nominate Viney, we should look them straight in trhe eye and pass.

hope you're right mate

I wouldn't be so certain that Toumpas will get past pick 2.

I think that will only happen if GC trade pick 2 to GWS for a minidraft pick (likely).

In the scenario, I'd be shocked if GWS didn't choose Grundy.

But if GC have pick 2, they won't be selecting another ruckman.

  On 17/08/2012 at 03:48, José Mourinho said:

I wouldn't be so certain that Toumpas will get past pick 2.

I think that will only happen if GC trade pick 2 to GWS for a minidraft pick (likely).

In the scenario, I'd be shocked if GWS didn't choose Grundy.

But if GC have pick 2, they won't be selecting another ruckman.

Agree, It's too early to say, but I think Whitfield and Toumpas could easily end up 1 and 2 in the draft, Grundy might go 2, but could also slide as far as Port.

PS just on the leadership thing, wasn't Viney captain of SA for the under 16s carnival?

  On 16/08/2012 at 22:15, KingDingAling said:

I think Wines is the best kid in this draft.

Reminds me of Dustin Martin, very dual sides, well balanced kid.

lol @ Martin being "dual sided". You'd be joking.

  On 17/08/2012 at 01:51, mephis said:

They will force us to take Viney, i guarantee you.

Yes the AFL (oops, Suns and Giants) will noiminate Viney to "force" us to use pick 3.

Likely #3 Viney, #4 Toumpas #13 Jono O'Rourke #25 Jason Pongracic

(prefer Viney as 2nd round f/son choice ... #3 Toumpas #4 Wines/Mayes #13 Gartlett #25 Viney)

  On 17/08/2012 at 04:13, Deestroy All said:

lol @ Martin being "dual sided". You'd be joking.

Well, Martin does have 2 sides, he got that part right...

  On 17/08/2012 at 04:13, Deestroy All said:

lol @ Martin being "dual sided". You'd be joking.

Not at all..

YDKSAF, so I suggest you pay close attention.

Wines is a quality footballer. A footballer's footballer. But I don't think we'll go for him.

I think we'll go for a more athletic player. A high level runner and high level user. Wines is only a so-so athlete and so-so user. But he'll still be a very good player - I just doubt it'll be for us.

I'd rather go for a footballer than a lighter bodied athlete, but knowing us you're probably right.

who knows, pick 4 might be used in a trade for say...travis boak...just sayin.