It certainly seems that a lot of what we are tryng to do now, is to catch up because of poor past drafting. We are not maiking talent the main aim we are seeking recycled strong bodies.

As an example only, BP didn't like the small forward. Who is the first player added this year? Who else do we have in that role?.

Heres a list of all the hits in drafting (2000-11) that we have had and all the flops and ones that are yet to prove themselves:

hits

2000

Scott thompson (adelaide), national pick 16 Darren Jolly (collingwood), rookie pick 31

2001

Brad miller (retired), national pick 55 Mark Jamar, rookie pick 6

2002

Daniel Bell, national pick 14 Jared Rivers, national pick 26 Nathan carroll, rookie pick 56

2003

Colin sylvia, national pick 3 Brock McLean national pick 5 Aaron Davey rookie pick 3

2004

Lyden dunn, national pick 15 (as a player yes, pick no) Matthew warnock (GCS), rookie pick 26

2005

Nathan Jones, national pick 12 Clint bartram, national pick 60

2006

James frawley, national pick 12 Colin Garland, national pick 46

2007

Jack Grimes, national pick 14 Stefan martin, pre-season pick 3 Austin Wonaeamirri, rookie pick 19

2008

Jack watts, national pick 1 Sam Blease, national pick 17 Liam Jurrah, pre-season pick 1 Jordie Mckenzie, rookie pick 1

2009

Jack trengove, national pick 2 Luke tapscott, national pick 18 Joel MacDonald, pre-season pick 1

2010

Jeremy howe, national pick 33 Tom McDonald, national pick 53 Dan nicholson, rookie pick 14 Michael evans, rookie pick 31

2011

James sellar, national pick 54 Thomas couch, rookie pick 24 James magner, rookie pick 42

Flops

2000

Daniel Breese national pick 62 Ross funcke, national pick 73 mitchell Craig, national pick 80 Nick Gill, preseason pick 10 Kevin Devine, rookie pick 15 Mark berts, rookie pick 46 Benjamin Doherty, rookie pick 58 Thomas marshall, rookie pick 64

2001

Luke Molan, national pick 9 Steven armstrong, national pick 25 Aaron rogers,national pick 26 David robbins, rookie pick 22 Ryan ayres, rookie pick 37 Nicholas walsh, rookie pick 49

2002

nick smith, national pick 15 gary moorcroft, national pick 39 Cameron hunter, national pick 54 Ryan ferguson, nationalpick66 Guy Rigoni, pre-season pick 5 Adam fisher, rookie pick 11 Dale carson, rookie pick 27 Ezra poyas, rookie pick 43 Michael clark, rookie pick 65

2003

Chris Johnson, national pick 36 Phil read, preseason pick 3 Paul newman, rookie pick 19 Joel campbell, rookie pick 50

2004

Matthew bate, national pick 13 Michael newwton, national pick 43 Brendan van schaik, rookie pick 10

2005

simon buckley, national pick 53 heath neville, national pick 68 Jace bode, rookie pick 9 dan hughes, rookie pick 25 shane neaves, rookie pick 39 Andre gianfagna, rookie pick 51

2006

Ricky petterd, national pick 30 Isaac weetra, national pick 62 Daneil hayes, rookie pick 12

2007

cale morton, national pick 4 addam maric, national pick 21 kyle cheney, national pick 53 Tom McNamara, national pick 66

Trent zomer, rookie pick 3 Shane valenti, rookie pick 49

2008

rhys healey, rookie pick 17 Daniel hughes, rookie pick 33

2009

Tom scully, natioanl pick 1 michael newton, rookie pick 6 John meesen, rookie pick 22

2010

lucas cook, national pick 12 kelvin lawrence, rookie pick 48 Cameron johnston, rookie pick 63 Robert campbell, rookie pick 75

Tom mcnamara, rookie pick 83

2011

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Unproven

2007

jake spencer, rookie pick 35 (senior list now)

2008

James strauss, national pick 19 Jamie bennell, national pick 35 Neville jetta, national pick 51 Rohan bail, national pick 64

2009

Jordan gysberts, national pick 11 Max gawn, national pick 34 Jack fitzpatrick, national pick 50

2010

Troy davis, national pick 50

2011

Rory taggert, national pick 36 Josh tynan, national pick 52 jai sheahan, rookie pick 6 Leigh williams, rookie pick 59

There we go! not a very pretty sight that, although there are some gems in there amoung the rubble

Well, here we go.

Lets see now, if Our recruiting team has learned anything at all from the poor past rebuilding Team of,, Professor Montgomery Weirdo & Count Kook?

Lets see if we've been watching, 'T V', or will we get K O'd?

The last few years we've bowed, scraped, scavenged, & developed, 4 not much more than a Milton the Monster.

Can we C some more Crunt out there? please...

interesting observations there deeluded, but didn't you forget something?

How did Whispering Jack get in on this? Thats Jack & his sidekick.

No shock to see in today's Herald Sun, that since 2000, we are regarded as being the second worst performed side in the Draft. We are just slightly ahead of Freo.

Hopefully from now on we can turn that around.

Richard Griffiths, Craig Cameron, and Barry Prendergast - take a bow.

Yes, I know Griffiths was prior to 2,000. The others followed on from his sterling work.

Richard Griffiths, Craig Cameron, and Barry Prendergast - take a bow.

You forgot Schwab.

Our drafting in the last few years including this draft is like a polly waffle

Hard on the outside but when you put the bite on it it is soft in the middle!

Again massive ?????????

Our drafting in the last few years including this draft is like a polly waffle

Hard on the outside but when you put the bite on it it is soft in the middle!

Again massive ?????????

I don't know how you can claim this years draft is a bit soft.

Toumpas a good running outside midfielder.

Viney a hard in and under midfielder that never gives up.

The rest unless you are an absolute expert in all aspects of selecting talent, then shut the F**k up.

because you have about as much knowledge as the rest of us which is SFA

I don't know how you can claim this years draft is a bit soft.

Toumpas a good running outside midfielder.

Viney a hard in and under midfielder that never gives up.

The rest unless you are an absolute expert in all aspects of selecting talent, then shut the F**k up.

because you have about as much knowledge as the rest of us which is SFA

That about covers it Chippy.

You forgot Schwab.

Wonderful. The article referred to recruiting from 2000 and you go back 20 years to have a pot shot at Cam. Well his efforts were better than the last three.

young-dee-enthusiast

flops

Guy Rigoni

um, no.

Wonderful. The article referred to recruiting from 2000 and you go back 20 years to have a pot shot at Cam. Well his efforts were better than the last three.

I'm talking about drafting from 2008. If you don't think Schwab has been calling shots on drafting since then, then your ignorance is showing.

I'm talking about drafting from 2008. If you don't think Schwab has been calling shots on drafting since then, then your ignorance is showing.

Are you saying that CS overruled Prendergast?

You forgot Schwab.

No, I didn't.

Have a look at the "Rate Schwab" thread on the main forum and my post made hours ago.

Good to see you on this forum though. If you need a heads up on Toumpas, Jack Viney, or any other new footy players to the club drop me a pm.

Bumping this thread while we were all in the middle of us all slapping each other on the back from the draft - nice one. I'm currently parading with umbrella in hand to stop from being hit by all the wee.

Are you saying that CS overruled Prendergast?

I am saying that CS and Prendergast worked together on drafting and that Schwab is directly responsible for some of our drafting selections since 2008. Schwab interfering in football matters - who would have thought it? This is a fact and I have had this verified by a member of the Stynes/McLardy Board.

I am saying that if Ben-Hur wants to throw blame around for our recent drafting, he should include Schwab along with "Richard Griffiths, Craig Cameron, and Barry Prendergast". He can't bring himself to do it though.

And as Ben-Hur points out, Griffiths was pre-2000 anyway so I don't know what your problem is.

Maybe you should spent less time trying to have a go at me and more time paying attention to what is happening to our club.

You forgot Schwab.

rip van winkle lives !!

Maybe you should spent less time trying to have a go at me and more time paying attention to what is happening to our club.

You clearly have a persecution complex.

I am saying that CS and Prendergast worked together on drafting and that Schwab is directly responsible for some of our drafting selections since 2008. Schwab interfering in football matters - who would have thought it? This is a fact and I have had this verified by a member of the Stynes/McLardy Board.

I am saying that if Ben-Hur wants to throw blame around for our recent drafting, he should include Schwab along with "Richard Griffiths, Craig Cameron, and Barry Prendergast". He can't bring himself to do it though.

And as Ben-Hur points out, Griffiths was pre-2000 anyway so I don't know what your problem is.

Maybe you should spent less time trying to have a go at me and more time paying attention to what is happening to our club.

shadey, try some of the happy pills and drop those angry pills in the bin

the happy ones are the pink ones not the green ones

you'll thank me one day

Maybe you should spent less time trying to have a go at me and more time paying attention to what is happening to our club.

Viney, Hogan, Toumpas, Dawes, Barry, Pederson, Byrnes, Rodan et al is what's happening at our club.

Pay attention.

Guy Rigoni a flop? How can you live with yourself?

Maybe you should spent less time trying to have a go at me and more time paying attention to what is happening to our club.

Surely you can see a completely different drafting strategy which I would suggest started last year as we waved BP goodbye.

You forgot Schwab.

Caro?

Guy Rigoni a flop? How can you live with yourself?

He also has Evans as a Hit, and bate (100 games) as a flop