Me too

If you look hard enough there is almost always a reason to smile.

Got mine this morning when the MFC site says Jamar out for up to 4 weeks.

If we use the same scale they use to show LJ 's condition and return date then I would say we will not see jamar again in 2012.

Wouldn't hate that idea of just putting him on ice and giving the other guys full responsibilities for the rest of the year.

Wouldn't hate that idea of just putting him on ice and giving the other guys full responsibilities for the rest of the year.

+1. Martin is more than competent and Spencer/Fitz deserve a shot to prove themselves.

Jamar and Jurrah will be out for the rest of 2012 nothing to gain in playing them, get both fit and right for Pre-season.

Awful injury that TBC....wouldn't wish it on anyone

I'd be surprised if Jamar is only out for 3 weeks. Calf injuries always seem to take longer to heal for older players. And he's now done it twice which suggests the need for a very conservative approach.

....and why rush him back in this dead season. Surely an opportunity to asses Spencil vs Fitzy - as ND should have done with Jamar / Jolly when White was totally lame in a dead season all those years ago.

Awful injury that TBC....wouldn't wish it on anyone

Better than indefinite though. Confirmed, but they still don't know how long it will be or what is required to get to full fitness.

WTF is this TBC?

No money to send the player to see a doctor?

Sitting in front of the heater,,,, Jack Watts (ankle) TBC,,, too bloody cosy. Foot in warm water bucket.

see you back under the Edihad roof.

Awful injury that TBC....wouldn't wish it on anyone

Not even port. But a port is good in a storm, & in front of a warm fire @ the Chalet.

I wish.

Jamar and Jurrah will be out for the rest of 2012 nothing to gain in playing them, get both fit and right for Pre-season.

What, even if they're fit?

By that rationale there's nothing to be gained by playing anyone at all. Just inform the AFL that we forfeit until we can field a side capable of competing for finals.

What, even if they're fit?

By that rationale there's nothing to be gained by playing anyone at all. Just inform the AFL that we forfeit until we can field a side capable of competing for finals.

Gee RR what the hell am I going to do for the next 3 winters ?

What, even if they're fit?

By that rationale there's nothing to be gained by playing anyone at all. Just inform the AFL that we forfeit until we can field a side capable of competing for finals.

Jamar will have 4-5 weeks off with a calf, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't put him out for the year and start to get his body 100% recovered for pre-season. Liam Jurrah has played 3-4 games this year and has his pending issues to face, the only reason I would play Liam this year is if he looks like he will be locked up next year, if not get him fit enough to join the main group from day on pre-season. I was lucky to attend some pre-season training last year, we had so many players in Rehab that it would have been hard to train the main group. Some days that I attended we were lucky to have 20 fit blokes training, how do you educate a team with new game plans when most of your list can't train with the main group?

We all know the importance of a full pre-season and these two players are vital in our side in 2013.

We have a lot of players that have a lot to play for over the next 7 weeks, the club will make 7-8 changes to our senior list at years end, of those 7-8 changes most players on the cull list will be playing on Saturday.

Jamar will have 4-5 weeks off with a calf, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't put him out for the year and start to get his body 100% recovered for pre-season. Liam Jurrah has played 3-4 games this year and has his pending issues to face, the only reason I would play Liam this year is if he looks like he will be locked up next year, if not get him fit enough to join the main group from day on pre-season. I was lucky to attend some pre-season training last year, we had so many players in Rehab that it would have been hard to train the main group. Some days that I attended we were lucky to have 20 fit blokes training, how do you educate a team with new game plans when most of your list can't train with the main group?

We all know the importance of a full pre-season and these two players are vital in our side in 2013.

We have a lot of players that have a lot to play for over the next 7 weeks, the club will make 7-8 changes to our senior list at years end, of those 7-8 changes most players on the cull list will be playing on Saturday.

Dr I do not agree if LJ is fit then he plays at Casey and the MFC.

This club needs wins between now and the end of 2012.

Both the players and members need to believe there is a future in 2013.

PS Not trying to be smart but LJ has played 1 and a bit quarters against Sydney

Dr I do not agree if LJ is fit then he plays at Casey and the MFC.

This club needs wins between now and the end of 2012.

Both the players and members need to believe there is a future in 2013.

PS Not trying to be smart but LJ has played 1 and a bit quarters against Sydney

I totally agree

If they are fit enough get their butts out there to earn their pay. Everyone is bloody sick of losing. They are supposed to be professionals, I don't know why in the last 5-10 years it has become acceptable practice to 'rest' blokes and 'put them on ice' klike they are delicate little flowers. FMD, there are 15 names on that list and it is KILLING us.

We've had terrible luck this year, I know we have been terrible and bringing some guys in is hardly the panacea for our problems, but if we could have a team on the park with Clark, Jurrah, Green, Martin in the same forward line at least 10 times it would have been much more exciting to watch and difficult for oppositions to hold down. Here's hoping that next year Clark, Jurrah and Martin can play in the same forward line for 2/3 of the year! I know most of our problems are in the middle, but with a stronger line-up forward and back we can keep quality players in the midfield longer.

I see Michael Evans has been taken off all the injury lists on the MFC site. I guess whoever typed the list originally just got used to putting him on it...

I totally agree

If they are fit enough get their butts out there to earn their pay. Everyone is bloody sick of losing. They are supposed to be professionals, I don't know why in the last 5-10 years it has become acceptable practice to 'rest' blokes and 'put them on ice' klike they are delicate little flowers. FMD, there are 15 names on that list and it is KILLING us.

This is very short term attitude, our players haven't been able to execute the coaches game plan, the only way they will get better at this is through pre-season, what is killing us is the fact that prior to Christmas last year we had more players in rehab than training with the main group. If you want to see improvement in 2013 we need 90% of our list ready to go first day of pre-season. I don't want to go to training to see LJ walking laps or that unfit he has to run by himself, I don't want Jamar missing weeks due to an ongoing calf injury. I don't see any reason why you would want to bring players back for the last 2-3 weeks of the year.

Be smart we need to manage our entire playing group to ensure the required players will be ready for Late Oct early Nov, no need to take risks on injured players.

Honestly I wouldn't be overly surprised if there is alot more to this LJ story then what we are told. Honestly 1 game in a year? A wrist injury that took 10 months to heal?

Now an ankle injury that said 2-4 weeks, 8 weeks ago?

There is allot more to the story then what we are being told I would say, and I think it is a good thing if the club are hiding alot of info about it.

I even wouldn't rule out a surprise delist on him. (Dont ask me why but something just isn't right)

Honestly I wouldn't be overly surprised if there is alot more to this LJ story then what we are told. Honestly 1 game in a year? A wrist injury that took 10 months to heal?

Now an ankle injury that said 2-4 weeks, 8 weeks ago?

There is allot more to the story then what we are being told I would say, and I think it is a good thing if the club are hiding alot of info about it.

I even wouldn't rule out a surprise delist on him. (Dont ask me why but something just isn't right)

I guess some guy (or gal) in a wig (if they still wear them there) in Alice Springs could shortly have an even bigger say in Liam's future than our medical staff!

This is very short term attitude, our players haven't been able to execute the coaches game plan, the only way they will get better at this is through pre-season, what is killing us is the fact that prior to Christmas last year we had more players in rehab than training with the main group. If you want to see improvement in 2013 we need 90% of our list ready to go first day of pre-season. I don't want to go to training to see LJ walking laps or that unfit he has to run by himself, I don't want Jamar missing weeks due to an ongoing calf injury. I don't see any reason why you would want to bring players back for the last 2-3 weeks of the year.

Be smart we need to manage our entire playing group to ensure the required players will be ready for Late Oct early Nov, no need to take risks on injured players.

but you say all that as if you have some authority on whther or not playing out the end of this year will in any way hinder these players for the start of next preseason. You have no idea - you are just making an assumption based on nothing. If my car has been to the mechanic and been fixed I am going to take it for a spin, i'm not going to leave it in the grage for a few weeks and let it get 'more fixed'.As I said, professional athletes or delicate fragile little flowers, get out there. Besides, you don't seriously believe that if a player has a slight niggle at the start of next preseason it is going to make even the slightest difference to the team's fortunes, be real.

olisik I hate to say I agree with you - something is extremely not right. The chances of him being the superstar we had all bookmarked are completely dashed IMO. Even if he escapes penalty, is embraced by the club and the AFL, and gets himself fit (finally) I very much doubt he will be able to maintain the focus required to be an AFL player, carrying the weight of his cultural and familial baggage. There you go Melbourne cop that, another star sizzles out.

Gee RR what the hell am I going to do for the next 3 winters ?

Enjoy life and regain our sanity OD B)

Enjoy life and regain our sanity OD B)

Not sure it is repairable RR

Too many years have past.

I think the best I can hope for is a bit single Malt to sooth the pain.

Of course winning 10 games next year would be a hell of a tonic.

What I'm saying is why waste our time to bring injured players back for 2-3 games at the end of the year,unless they are fighting for survival on our list it is pointless. Especially Jamar, if he is out for 4-5 make it 7, he is such an important member to our team, give him a longer time off to get his body 100%.

If Evans is not injured again I want to see him get a call up

Same goes for Cook, they both need a feel of AFL before the seasons out. Just so they can see the standard and know what they are busting there chops for over summer to prepare for.

What I'm saying is why waste our time to bring injured players back for 2-3 games at the end of the year,unless they are fighting for survival on our list it is pointless. Especially Jamar, if he is out for 4-5 make it 7, he is such an important member to our team, give him a longer time off to get his body 100%.

If a player is injured, he doesn't play.

If he is fit to play, he plays.

It seems an extraordinarily simple equation to me but you seem hell bent on making it not so.

If a player is injured, he doesn't play.

If he is fit to play, he plays.

It seems an extraordinarily simple equation to me but you seem hell bent on making it not so.

He doesn't think its worth busting there chops through fitness tests and such for just a game or 2.