Viney will almost certainly play next year at Casey.

After being put on the MFC Senior list at the draft.

Lets close this thread out ...

  On 03/07/2012 at 05:08, jurrahcane said:

Lets close this thread out ...

this thread is not a thread's ar$ehole

i know it is school holidays this week but I didn't know rangey was a school kid B)

It's a hypothetical.

Why the angst?

It's worth looking at every option, to get he best for the club out of this draft.

Ok, this suggestion is maybe a little crazy, but why not ask the question anyway?

It's free to ask isn't it?

  On 03/07/2012 at 07:16, daisycutter said:

this thread is not a thread's ar$ehole

i know it is school holidays this week but I didn't know rangey was a school kid B)

Hey, 4 pages and 78 posts 'aint bad for a Tuesday! B)

  On 03/07/2012 at 07:57, faultydet said:

It's a hypothetical.

Why the angst?

It's worth looking at every option, to get he best for the club out of this draft.

Ok, this suggestion is maybe a little crazy, but why not ask the question anyway?

It's free to ask isn't it?

*Like*

  On 03/07/2012 at 07:57, faultydet said:

It's a hypothetical.

Why the angst?

It's worth looking at every option, to get he best for the club out of this draft.

Ok, this suggestion is maybe a little crazy, but why not ask the question anyway?

It's free to ask isn't it?

That's why he asked it.

This thread has discussed it.

I am not following you.

Interesting article on Jimmy Toumpas. Wont be playing much more this year.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/140230/default.aspx

I was particularly interested in his quote:

"I know I've still got a lot of improvement to go and I don't consider myself anywhere near the likes of Lachie Whitfield, Jake Stringer or Joe Daniher. They're a class above me in my opinion."

Yeah good idea, try and make a kid wait another year to follow his dream so we can take other kids and they can play instead of him.... I know what I would say.

I want this kid Toumpas and Stringer

He'd be no worse than Blease. I could see him getting roughed up, especially considering so many coaches atm probably played his dad in the 90s and felt his grunt. But he'll be better for it, rather like a kid like Blease who sadly seems like he doesn't know how to tackle. I'm still keen on Blease, but once he is tackled hard, game over.

Do it.

Hell be worth whatever the club decides. And im happy to back the clubs judgement ahead of mine

  On 03/07/2012 at 05:03, Oucher said:

Agree with a bit of what you are saying, except if he doesn't nominate this year, he isn't eligible to be picked up as a F/S next year (Fairly certain the rules only allow you to nominate once this way, and withdrawing would void him doing it next year) The AFL wouldn't allow this as a loophole. Also... Jack Viney as much as he probably loves MFC, wants to be playing AFL next year, not playing in the VFL...

That was what I understood as well. You only get one year to have the option of being F/S, ie. the year you are eligible to be drafted.

No good worrying about what may happen.

GWS or GC have to declare their hand first if they want to take Jack.

If they don't then (provided no other club finishes below us) we will take him in the 2nd round.

The 'let's do dodgy stuff' faction has had its day in the sun and took us backwards. Time for them to go away quietly.

I am starting to think GWS will not dummy bid for viney as they will gain nothing but risk the chance of missing whitfield or toumpas even grundy

I also think that if sheedy would love to screw someone it may be his old club and they might bid for Joe before our boy

GC will not bid on Viney with pick 1

  On 03/07/2012 at 08:25, rpfc said:

That's why he asked it.

This thread has discussed it.

I am not following you.

read the second line of my post for your answer.

I think theres a general tendency amongst forums to talk about all this is generally simplistic and idealist terms.. We all seem to construct scenarios that in reality are far from script that the actual clubs will work to.

Its a bit like real estate speak. So may would have you beleive there are bay views, but that holds true only if youre standing on the roof leaning against the tree hanging on for dear life. Yes the view is there....but.

And so we have the constructs of drafts, whereby if this team or that somehow havent a clue about a players actual worth they may overlook etc etc.

The teams arent stupid. They have their lists of who is who and their strengths, weaknesses etc. They also have their WANT list. One teams absolutes needs may be a little different from the next. They migh talso have slightly diffferent non negotiables etc.

I have no doubt we are seeing the outward manifestations of some smoke and mirrors in an attempt to faze other suitors but their scoutrs will be informing the respective Footy Depts as to what is what and who is who.

GC and GWS will ONLY be interested in Viney if he suits them. He may not. They I would suspect have bigger issues and more key positions to fill before they look to another mid. They both have a few.

Melbourne needs to be prepared to cough up pick 3 if it needs to and suck it up. But we might get lucky. The drafts arent super slanted to the newby clubs anymore and they may this year be far more circumspect about using the top picks.

In the end...Viney is a type of player we desperately need. If if was some other bloke we were after wed all be frothing and foaming and insisting that we get him with 3. Just because we think hes in the bag we want to get all clever and try tooutfox all the other clubs. Do we do that and risk the bird in hand for two in the draft ?

  On 03/07/2012 at 22:21, belzebub59 said:

Melbourne needs to be prepared to cough up pick 3 if it needs to and suck it up. But we might get lucky.

That's where I'm at in my thinking about all this and I'm pretty sure the club would be thinking along similar lines.

We've made a commitment to draft Jack. The Scully compensation and our lower than expected picks have confused the situation. The club (Todd Viney included) see an opportunity to draft Jack and hang on to two top five picks in a draft that is known to have quality at the high end (particularly midfielders). They're doing the right thing in making it public that we won't use our first pick on Jack. Gold Coast and GWS will probably think we're bluffing but if enough people say it (including Jack) then just enough doubt might be created for them not to take the risk, particularly given their reward is really minimal. If I had to guess I'd say we're an 80% chance of Jack sliding to our second round pick if we maintain our current 16th position. I don't think we'll do any deals for the mini-draft. I don't think we'll offer Gold Coast or GWS any incentive not to pick Jack and I don't think we'll be making promises to exchange draft picks or players. We'll consistently bluff for the next five months and if at the end of that period if Gold Coast or GWS do actually nominate Jack with their first pick, we'll then use ours.

  On 03/07/2012 at 21:40, faultydet said:

read the second line of my post for your answer.

Yeah, I did.

'Why the angst?' is a fair enough question.

What I didn't follow was the movement from there to implying it isn't free to ask that question.

That is all.

  On 03/07/2012 at 22:21, belzebub59 said:

Melbourne needs to be prepared to cough up pick 3 if it needs to and suck it up.

I'd suggest that Cam and Mark have a chat with the folk at AFL house about the benefits to Melb of letting Jack go second round given the pain in 2011 and 2012 we have endured, in part due to losing Tom Scully.

The AFL pull the strings at the expansion clubs so a persuasive argument to the AFL may swing it in our favour...

yes, you do wonder how much orders "guidance" the afl give their favoured franchises...hmmm

  On 04/07/2012 at 03:32, PaulRB said:

I'd suggest that Cam and Mark have a chat with the folk at AFL house about the benefits to Melb of letting Jack go second round given the pain in 2011 and 2012 we have endured, in part due to losing Tom Scully.

The AFL pull the strings at the expansion clubs so a persuasive argument to the AFL may swing it in our favour...

Dale Kerrigan wants a word with you !!