MFC - Where are we honestly at

[Hells Gates 505]

Where are we at?

Well if the premiership is at midnight I'd say its about 2:30am at the moment

I think you have nailed it Sir.

Im 100% with you.

[Guest melbman]

It wasn't the rank and file member that voted for the merger . It was Ian Ridley and his 12 person committee with their 3,500 proxy votes that got the vote through . Plus they then booked a small venue where many couldn't get in to vote . 80 - 90% of the people at the Dallas Brooks Hall that night were against the merger .

Cheers

yep absolutely. my dad went to vote no and was locked out

Edited March 17, 2012 by melbman

[Macca 16,922]

Where are we at?

Most of our best 22 are young and have played approx 40-60 games.

It's clear the "game plan" under bailey did more damage than good.

Our game plan now will take time to become the norm, with Neeld & Craig at the helm we should be at minimum playing a similar style to the top 4.

This year will be like last year, bu I think we will see something develop that will get us to the finals.

I think we have to accept that we have to "Start again" to a certain extent . It's too early to tell how different our game plan will be but we do know it will be different .

So , we've gotta be patient again ! Most of us probably feel we've been down that road too many times .

Here's the reality - Our previous game plan was identified as (in part) "Bruise free" . So change has to happen . How long this will take is anybody's guess .

Contested possessions last night was 127 to 121 yet we were well beaten . I'm not really sure what that stat means with our team because often those numbers would signify a reasonably competitive game .

My guess is that Neeld won't play too many "outside" types and not too many with poor disposal skills . But he's probably gonna have to compromise .

Originally I thought that it might take until 2/3rds of the season for Neeld to get his game plan up and running but it may take a fair bit longer . He may need a number of new players .

I haven't given up on the season though and won't until it's mathematically impossible to make the finals !

Cheers

Edited March 17, 2012 by Macca

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

yep absolutely. my dad went to vote no and was locked out

Too right. I couldn't believe Tiger Ridley would allow his own MFC lifeblood a voice that night.

I thought we were doomed. How could we ever support tge Hawks??

[Guest melbman]

Too right. I couldn't believe Tiger Ridley would allow his own MFC lifeblood a voice that night.

I thought we were doomed. How could we ever support tge Hawks??

Had the merger gone through I would have given up on Aussie Rules as a spectator sport.

[Guest Dr Who]

Where are we at?

Most of our best 22 are young and have played approx 40-60 games.

It's clear the "game plan" under bailey did more damage than good.

Our game plan now will take time to become the norm, with Neeld & Craig at the helm we should be at minimum playing a similar style to the top 4.

This year will be like last year, bu I think we will see something develop that will get us to the finals.

Nice post - I would also like to add.

1 pre-season under Mission is not enough time to get our squads core fitness level to play 100 minutes of AFL football at the highest level.

1 pre-season under our increased new coaching team is not enough time to fully develop ever player on our list.

Our football department needs further $$$$$ investment in many, many areas. I'm still concerned about injury recovery, opposition list analysis and a few more I would prefer not to discuss here.

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

Had the merger gone through I would have given up on Aussie Rules as a spectator sport.

That was the part i don't think the Pro Merger crowd quite understood. So many MFC supporters alienated.

Would have been a great movie.

[Guest Dr Who]

Oh I nearly forget - I now think we need to work harder on getting more of our supporters to "buy in" the negativity and "impatient" approach by some clearly says to me more work has to be done.

[Guest melbman]

Oh I nearly forget - I now think we need to work harder on getting more of our supporters to "buy in" the negativity and "impatient" approach by some clearly says to me more work has to be done.

you been following the Dees long btw?

[Macca 16,922]

Had the merger gone through I would have given up on Aussie Rules as a spectator sport.

In a lot of ways that 1996 R22 Demons/Hawks game took on great significance . I'm fairly sure our side of the vote re "The Merger" was already established but the Hawks had not yet decided theirs .

They won that game by 1 point to scrape into the finals . Neitz 6 , Dunstall 10 from memory . Over 60.000 at the MCG that night . Stand corrected on that one . I was concerned that the Hawk members might vote for the merger but when they made the finals ...................

We finished well down the ladder and were playing for pride only .

The Tigers lost their round 22 game to slip out of the 8 to finish 9th ! Some things never change .

Fitzroy played their last game (as Fitzroy) the following day . Tumultuous times .

Cheers

Edited March 17, 2012 by Macca

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

Oh I nearly forget - I now think we need to work harder on getting more of our supporters to "buy in" the negativity and "impatient" approach by some clearly says to me more work has to be done.

I always find it funny when people use MFC & impatient in the same sentence. Anyone at the '87 Prelim will know what i mean. We are a lot of things but impatient is not one of them.

[Biffen 12,940]

We are honestly at the start of the season with a big chance to win the first game .

Given our soft draw we may be in the 8 for most of the season .

I think we can expect to see the start of some good times .

Seriously....

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

We are honestly at the start of the season with a big chance to win the first game .

Given our soft draw we may be in the 8 for most of the season .

I think we can expect to see the start of some good times .

Seriously....

Hahaha! You on the gas dude?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Excuse me. Are you inferring that i didn't speak to Brian Dixon?

The Proxy vote was a large factor.

I remember something about them asking for people to send in their proxy votes.

[Guest Dr Who]

I always find it funny when people use MFC & impatient in the same sentence. Anyone at the '87 Prelim will know what i mean. We are a lot of things but impatient is not one of them.

I find it funny too but possibly for different reasons - as I said elsewhere many sound like my kids "are we there yet?" They want the spoils of success but they just wont put the hard work in the stands. Blame the players, blame the drafting team & until we are "winning" refuse to participate in the big picture. They just wont "buy into" the modern game of AFL football. Instead they prefer to discuss VFL football mentality.

[Biffen 12,940]

Hahaha! You on the gas dude?

Smoking some positive vibes jah brethren .

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

I find it funny too but possibly for different reasons - as I said elsewhere many sound like my kids "are we there yet?" They want the spoils of success but they just wont put the hard work in the stands. Blame the players, blame the drafting team & until we are "winning" refuse to participate in the big picture. They just wont "buy into" the modern game of AFL football. Instead they prefer to discuss VFL football mentality.

Who are the people you are talking about Doc? What other club membership has paid off a 7 figure debt as quick as we have?

[Biffen 12,940]

Is it possible, that this may be the very root of our problem? I have never considered it till today. Do we have a membership that just continually fails to "buy in"?

Preferring always to blame others? Is our football club merely a refection of ourselves?

How dare you accuse the supporters of the MFC .........

Actually ,you got a point there .

Sh!T-Im divided on this one .

[daisycutter 29,604]

So Doc, if the supporters "buy in", success and flags will follow, regardless of the cattle?

Puleeze! Where have you been the last 48 years?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Is it possible, that this may be the very root of our problem? I have never considered it till today. Do we have a membership that just continually fails to "buy in"?

Preferring always to blame others? Is our football club merely a refection of ourselves?

Do we? Have a membership that fails to 'Buy In'... Or is it a membership that feels people in High Places are far superior to themselves in Business & running the footy club, merely because of the high & Mighty MCC ! ? That grandeur of the MCG is pretty daunting, so the people in they're running that place Must be Giants....

Is this why our people (members) are so trusting & don't get involved enough? Because of the 'G' ?

If so, the quicker we get a Social base away from there the better.

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

Do we? Have a membership that fails to 'Buy In'... Or is it a membership that feels people in High Places are far superior to themselves in Business & running the footy club, merely because of the high & Mighty MCC ! ? That grandeur of the MCG is pretty daunting, so the people in they're running that place Must be Giants....

Is this why our people (members) are so trusting & don't get involved enough? Because of the 'G' ?

If so, the quicker we get a Social base away from there the better.

You have a real problem with the MCC at the ''G don't you DL.

Without them club should have died. But somehow hung on.

[Biffen 12,940]

The season hasn't begun yet .Can we wait a bit before we get too depressed?

[dee-luded 2,959]

You have a real problem with the MCC at the ''G don't you DL.

Without them club should have died. But somehow hung on.

No. Not at all. My beloved Grand Father was an MCC member & cricketer. He's the one who got me barracking for the Dees My Dad was Carlton thru & thru.

But what I believe is we lack a passion & fire thats shared by other AFL clubs that gets extinguished, IMO by the MCC mantra. Thats what I truly believe is the problem. I don't want us to move away from the 'G', but want us to get away from the stifling PC of the place.

I been around there a bit & around VFL/AFL clubs & champ VFL/AFL players, & I believe we should get out of there except for game days.. It hasn't hurt the Tigers in the 60's - 70's when they played but not trained there.... It didn'yt hurt the Bombers when they trained at windy Hill with sheedy, but played on the 'G'...

It hasn't done the Pies any harm since Matthews took them all the way, but they're based aways & have they're own independence.

Yet we struggle to get a chant going, let alone a Mexican Wave. IMO we are Inhibited, those in our club & the MCC. Inhibited & Politically correct go hand in hand.

We sack a player if he's so tough, he's 'OH NO', Too mean for Us... Get rid of Him.

*(These are the thoughts of a dee-luded individual, the places & names are altered to protect the innocent.)

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

The season hasn't begun yet .Can we wait a bit before we get too depressed?

Agreed.

This is almost all laughable.

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

No. Not at all. My beloved Grand Father was an MCC member & cricketer. He's the one who got me barracking for the Dees My Dad was Carlton thru & thru.

But what I believe is we lack a passion & fire thats shared by other AFL clubs that gets extinguished, IMO by the MCC mantra. Thats what I truly believe is the problem. I don't want us to move away from the 'G', but want us to get away from the stifling PC of the place.

I been around there a bit & around VFL/AFL clubs & champ VFL/AFL players, & I believe we should get out of there except for game days.. It hasn't hurt the Tigers in the 60's - 70's when they played but not trained there.... It didn'yt hurt the Bombers when they trained at windy Hill with sheedy, but played on the 'G'...

It hasn't done the Pies any harm since Matthews took them all the way, but they're based aways & have they're own independence.

Yet we struggle to get a chant going, let alone a Mexican Wave. IMO we are Inhibited, those in our club & the MCC. Inhibited & Politically correct go hand in hand.

We sack a player if he's so tough, he's 'OH NO', Too mean for Us... Get rid of Him.

*(These are the thoughts of a dee-luded individual, the places & names are altered to protect the innocent.)

But DL we didn't come from a suburb. We came from the 'G. That is our base.

The other clubs just rent.

I can understand what you mean, but we must learn to coexist.