He was terrific in the pre-season (like last year) then failed when the heat was on in the real stuff (like last year). Enough said...

True, but their midfield sh*ts all over ours.

I'd give my left knee to have Martin, Cotchin and Delidio running around in our midfield. Sure beats having to resort to the likes of Bate. No offence to Bate.

They appear good on paper but we will cream them. Moloney is better than all of them .

True, but their midfield sh*ts all over ours.

I'd give my left knee to have Martin, Cotchin and Delidio running around in our midfield. Sure beats having to resort to the likes of Bate. No offense to Bate.

But they drop away quickly after that, and a lot in the media have been seduced not just KB...as a side issue which one of the 3 would you take. Cotchin is the one for me but I wouldn't throw either of the other 2 back.

Moloney is better than all of them .

I am all for blind optimism, but come on, Cotchin is already as good as Moloney and will be much better in a year or two.

I love Moloney, but he is no world beater.

Guys,

Face it. We would kill for tiges midfield v ours. But the advatage of being a donut (nothing in the middle) in our case is that we can do something about it (viney + 2 high draft picks).

Tiges have a great midfield (but not much elsewhere except reiwoldt gun and a few others).

I think we are evenly poised now overall but we will be able to rectify our deficiencies eventually and they will find it more difficult.

Terrible waste of a good draft pick.

Agree-you would think Cameron and co.would not make a second mistake in a row,re Miller and now Maric.

They appear good on paper but we will cream them .Moloney is better than all of them .

very good point that you raise.Maloney in a forward pocket may be a great move.

Like when at MFC, he "did a few good things" last night, but, like when at MFC, not enough.

Wait and see before slashing wrists please.

very good point that you raise.Maloney in a forward pocket may be a great move.

Who the hell is Maloney?

Discarding Miller and Maric are two decisions we DID get right !

They appear good on paper but we will cream them .Moloney is better than all of them .

I love Beamer, but Cotchin is a level above him already, and he's still young. Cotchin is better than anyone on our list at present. Last night he went head to head with Judd and won. Anyone who picks up 27 touches, 8 tackles, 2 goals, while going head to head with a superstar in Judd, and does all that trying to carry a losing team...is a star. I'm hoping Trengove gets to that level. If he does we're in for a treat!

Richmond can have Delidio (good, but not great) but Martin and Cotchin are welcome any time at Melbourne.

I love Beamer, but Cotchin is a level above him already, and he's still young. Cotchin is better than anyone on our list at present. Last night he went head to head with Judd and won. Anyone who picks up 27 touches, 8 tackles, 2 goals, while going head to head with a superstar in Judd, and does all that trying to carry a losing team...is a star. I'm hoping Trengove gets to that level. If he does we're in for a treat!

One warm day does not a summer make. Cotchin is not at Beamer's level yet. He may be on the way - but you are listening to too much KB on 1116.

One warm day does not a summer make. Cotchin is not at Beamer's level yet. He may be on the way - but you are listening to too much KB on 1116.

Cotchin reached Moloney's level last year and is about to put the afterburners on.

Terrible waste of a good draft pick.

Or an indictment on those responsible for coaching and developing young players at the club?

Cotchin reached Moloney's level last year and is about to put the afterburners on.

Yeah right ,

Dont believe the hype on it .Wait till you see our bloke.

One warm day does not a summer make. Cotchin is not at Beamer's level yet. He may be on the way - but you are listening to too much KB on 1116.

I agree. Cotchin went past Beamer some time ago. I dont listen to KB at all

Cotchin reached Moloney's level last year and is about to put the afterburners on.

Just saw this and agree wholeheartedly.

Or an indictment on those responsible for coaching and developing young players at the club?

No its a bad draft pick. He has shown zip since he got to MEL. I have seen him in the AFL and VFL and I am puzzled why we spent pick 20 on him,

Even more surprised that Cameron picked up him up again at Richmond after he wasted a good pick at MEL.

Its as bizarre as Ratten and Riley offering a first round pick fro McLean.

Yeah right ,

Dont believe the hype on it .Wait till you see our bloke.

I use my eyes mate.

Tiger were very poor after promising so much in the NAB cup. Show what a load of S--T Nab cup is

Garry Lyon said on MMM "there is always a good reason why you let a player go"

Followed by spud "Yeah him ducking his head and shirking the contest like that must be one"

He is inclined to put in short steps occasionally. He has some good attributes and I thought being delisted was the kick in the bum he needed, but alas it doesn't seem to have, I couldn't see coaches like Neeld or Hardwick being big admirers for very long.

I'd say for pure clearance abilities, Moloney and Cotchin are on par, but Cotchin is a lot classier, a better user of the ball, a better mark, and quicker.

Moloney is grunt, Cotchin is class.

It's like comparing Sam Mitchell and Chris Judd. Both great extractors, but one is a superb finisher.

I must say I disagree on this point .I think he is pretty quick /elusive and he "hates" a goal which makes him a forward .

Did he kick 3 once for us or was I dreaming?

Wrong. Most he's kicked is 2 and it was from the midfield. Will never be a crumbing forward

I'd say for pure clearance abilities, Moloney and Cotchin are on par, but Cotchin is a lot classier, a better user of the ball, a better mark, and quicker.

Moloney is grunt, Cotchin is class.

It's like comparing Sam Mitchell and Chris Judd. Both great extractors, but one is a superb finisher.

One relies on Mark Jamar too often and the other hurts teams in the midfield regardless of the rucks and can punish teams when he goes forward.

Cotchin is a mile in front of Moloney.

One relies on Mark Jamar too often and the other hurts teams in the midfield regardless of the rucks and can punish teams when he goes forward.

Cotchin is a mile in front of Moloney.

Is that not what I said?!

Moloney would consistently win more clearances then Cotchin, but he doesn't hurt you like Cotchin does, because he is a pure inside mid, and Cotchin is equally good both inside and outside.

We don't need to degrade Moloney, because he is very good at what he does, and would be in the top 20 or so clearance players in the AFL, but he has serious disposal and foot speed flaws which make him a good player, but not a great player.

Is that not what I said?!

Moloney would consistently win more clearances then Cotchin, but he doesn't hurt you like Cotchin does, because he is a pure inside mid, and Cotchin is equally good both inside and outside.

We don't need to degrade Moloney, because he is very good at what he does, and would be in the top 20 or so clearance players in the AFL, but he has serious disposal and foot speed flaws which make him a good player, but not a great player.

Agree. Cotchin is class, Beamer is a bull.