Arrow 1,257 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Interestingly he was at Melbourne training today. Is it possible to be re-rookied?
hrob 2 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Interestingly he was at Melbourne training today. Is it possible to be re-rookied? his overseas atm so not sure who u saw..
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 You are kidding. The space on our list is a rookie spot. Keep sweating the very small stuff. Indeed. That's right just a rookie spot. Davey Jamar Junior McKenzie Evans Nicholson etc. Who needs rookies? I'm sorry it didn't work out for Juice he just didn't have it at top level seemed like a big kid when he played.
monoccular 17,760 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 And yet, he played 28 more games than all you keyboard warriors. Never understood why people take such joy in a player's career coming to an end. You mightn't have been a huge fan and you mightn't have agreed with each or any of the recontracting decisions, but that isn't some personal offence Newton has personally committed against yourselves. He's just yet another player who has now been and gone on our list. He must've kicked a lot of cats around here, that's all I can think of. I guess the fact that he remained on our lists for 7 years without playing more than about ten memorable minutes makes him a point of interest and discussion." Surely must be some sort of a record.
Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,335 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 A man`s gots to know his limitations! Good luck with whatever the future beholds for you. I`ll miss discussing your career with my work colleagues.
Rhino Richards 1,467 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 That's right just a rookie spot. Davey Jamar Junior McKenzie Evans Nicholson etc. Who needs rookies? I'm sorry it didn't work out for Juice he just didn't have it at top level seemed like a big kid when he played. I didnt realise Newton held back each of the above players. Shame on him. Would you like to list out all the rookies that dont make it over the same period? Its a far longer list. The issue was Newton was taking a rookie position in his last 2 years. His spot on the list was taking (I think Old 55 had it) about No 70 in the rookie draft that year. A devastating loss whoever that young gun is..
Jordie_tackles 354 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I will miss this guy, looked so good and so crap all at the same time......
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I didnt realise Newton held back each of the above players. Shame on him. Would you like to list out all the rookies that dont make it over the same period? Its a far longer list. The issue was Newton was taking a rookie position in his last 2 years. His spot on the list was taking (I think Old 55 had it) about No 70 in the rookie draft that year. A devastating loss whoever that young gun is.. There are knowns and there are unknowns; we knew what Juice was but we'll never know what his replacement would have been like.
Nasher 33,674 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I guess the fact that he remained on our lists for 7 years without playing more than about ten memorable minutes makes him a point of interest and discussion." Surely must be some sort of a record. It's not "discussion" that I have a problem with.
Retrospective 104 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 There are knowns and there are unknowns; we knew what Juice was but we'll never know what his replacement would have been like. I think Donald Rumsfeld summed it up: "There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know" is it any wonder that running a player list at AFL level is so difficult
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I think Donald Rumsfeld summed it up: "There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know" is it any wonder that running a player list at AFL level is so difficult True, there are probably 100's of players that have missed out over the years that would have been very good players, a lot of it is luck.
hardtack 11,106 Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I guess the fact that he remained on our lists for 7 years without playing more than about ten memorable minutes makes him a point of interest and discussion." Surely must be some sort of a record. How long was 426 (I can't even remember his name anymore) hanging around on the list?
old55 23,860 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 I didnt realise Newton held back each of the above players. Shame on him. Would you like to list out all the rookies that dont make it over the same period? Its a far longer list. The issue was Newton was taking a rookie position in his last 2 years. His spot on the list was taking (I think Old 55 had it) about No 70 in the rookie draft that year. A devastating loss whoever that young gun is.. Think he was holding back someone after Cameron Johnston, Robbie Campbell and Tommy McNamara.
Rhino Richards 1,467 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 There are knowns and there are unknowns; we knew what Juice was but we'll never know what his replacement would have been like. Newton was last rookied in 2009 with the view to being insurance as the "forward/2nd ruck" role. I am sure you can do the research to work out who was still available at the low levels of the rookie list to ascertain who could have immediately filled that role. I am sure we missed out on a real gem. The bottom line is that Newton has not deserved the hyped up hand wringing and derogatory references from posters over a number of years on this site.
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Newton was last rookied in 2009 with the view to being insurance as the "forward/2nd ruck" role. I am sure you can do the research to work out who was still available at the low levels of the rookie list to ascertain who could have immediately filled that role. I am sure we missed out on a real gem. The bottom line is that Newton has not deserved the hyped up hand wringing and derogatory references from posters over a number of years on this site. Have a look for yourself, here's the link. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2009&t=R&s=P Mind you this was the year that we had to put Juice and Meeson in the Rookie Draft because we still had them on contract. Have a look at the 2008 Rookie Draft, look at all the rubbish that was available in the 70's and 80's. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2008&t=R&s=P
old55 23,860 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Have a look for yourself, here's the link. Why didn't you link to the 2010 draft when Newton was last retained? http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2010&t=R&s=P Martin, Langford, Mahony and Kruger - that's what we missed out on.
Dee Fan 3,247 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Why didn't you link to the 2010 draft when Newton was last retained? http://www.footywire...ar=2010&t=R&s=P Martin, Langford, Mahony and Kruger - that's what we missed out on. Errr because RR was the one who mentioned the 2009 draft, read his post. Look there will always be good and bad drafts but if you have a player that you know is not up to it, why retain him instead of someone that may be. I have noting against Juice and thought he showed something in the early part of his last game at Ettihad but the club decided to cut him and it was probably the right thing to do all be it a couple of years late.
Rhino Richards 1,467 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Errr because RR was the one who mentioned the 2009 draft, read his post. Look there will always be good and bad drafts but if you have a player that you know is not up to it, why retain him instead of someone that may be. I have noting against Juice and thought he showed something in the early part of his last game at Ettihad but the club decided to cut him and it was probably the right thing to do all be it a couple of years late. And I did say "last rookied". Its good you did some research neverthe less. The issue with retention of Newton was the forward ruck and he was a cheap option where we had few. Its not just an issue of applying hindsight that he is not up to it. As Old has mentioned Martin, Langford, Mahony and Kruger thats the options. And each were further way than Juice from playing. Its not a matter of good and bad drafts.
Tony Tea 2,816 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 NEWTON (So many layers. Right, film & physics buffs?)
Mazer Rackham 14,972 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Fer chrissake, he's delisted. Are you all happy? So he didn't work out, like most people who happen to make an AFL list. No need to sink the boot in.
... 11 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Fair comment. If we going to be critical of the class of 2004 and Newton was pick 46, I am more disappointed with Bate and Dunn who we blew first round draft picks on. Hopefully Neeld can turn around at least one of them. I am not sure if there was issue with Newton's seven years. His resignings at the time were reasonable given the state of our list. And the last 3 years he was on minimum wages/rookie payments. Disappointing Rhino.
Yoda 33 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 NEWTON (So many layers. Right, film & physics buffs?) Yep ... Monoccular has dibs on the Newton/gravity gag earlier in the thread.
Tony Tea 2,816 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Yep ... Monoccular has dibs on the Newton/gravity gag earlier in the thread. Yes, but he did not mention the film The Man Who Fell to Earth or its main character, Newton (David Bowie).
Yoda 33 Posted November 1, 2011 Posted November 1, 2011 Yes, but he did not mention the film The Man Who Fell to Earth or its main character, Newton (David Bowie). Tony you are two steps ahead of the pack ... and I like it.
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