Sadly true, either talent and no ticker or plenty of ticker but low ability

Never seem to crack one with both ticker and ability.

C&B inadvertently alluded to the answer.

The rebuild has allowed us to get those players.

You just need to have the patience for them to grow up.

C&B inadvertently alluded to the answer.

The rebuild has allowed us to get those players.

You just need to have the patience for them to grow up.

Can you give me a clue beyond Scully?

So far I have not seen any down and dirty recruits.

lots of skilful nice boys but no mongrels yet.

Perhaps Frawley! but he plays a bit far back.

By the way I am not blessed with unlimited time for too much patience.

Could it please be the next 3-4 years

What happens if we are 5-0 at the start of the year?

40000 members

Can you give me a clue beyond Scully?

So far I have not seen any down and dirty recruits.

lots of skilful nice boys but no mongrels yet.

Perhaps Frawley! but he plays a bit far back.

By the way I am not blessed with unlimited time for too much patience.

Could it please be the next 3-4 years

I doubt you would have given Frawley's name before 2009.

And there is the theme I keep coming back to - for these kids to show it in an AFL game they need time.

Like a broken bloody record...

The season can't start soon enough!

Like a broken bloody record...

The season can't start soon enough!

Too right! Can't believe I come home from work every night to read the same crap, post after post.

As much as I want to read about the Dees and peoples thoughts on the Dees, I've had it, you guys are hurting my head.

Lets just argue for 4 months whether or not we are going to be [censored] again this year. How Riveting...

I'm taking a brake from these threads until after the Sydney game, Rd 1. Aaaww god, heaven forbid we lose I'll have to stay away a little longer.

What happens if we are 5-0 at the start of the year?

We'll all be happy ! B)

We'll all be happy ! B)

...but will you all be grateful?

I'd like to add my 2 cents worth to this post, as my first post, so G'Day everyone. First and foremost I need to stress that personally I think we will improve this year, and this terrible preseason will become a distant memory by rd 22. But I'd like to add a bit to a hypothetical debate, that I believe has a (tiny) bit of merit.

Firstly, all my footy loving, non demon following mates, are always asking me whether or not I think Baileys appointment was a good one. And my response is invariably "I just don't know yet, he's a nice bloke and seems to have a good manner and football mind, but I just don't know yet". Well I believe that he himself won't accept a lack of improvement this year, much less a backwards slide. And if this were to be the case I believe the club owes nothing to a man who fails to do his job, but does owe it to the supporters to get the best coach possible. I loathe MM nearly as much as I loathe his club, but if he were to coach my beloved club to a premiership, I'd nominate him for Australian Of The Year (tongue in cheek to the serious folks). The same must be said for Matthews, however I believe he would be less likely anyhow. Paul Roos on the other hand is a wonderful bloke, a brilliant coach and has the potential to make our players as great as our beloved club. Let's be clear here, I truly want to see our players perform on the field as players and off the field as humans. And I do think he offers the recipe for that.

The most important people at any footy club truly are the mebership holding, ticket buying, DD contributing, merch wearing, internet obsessing, news reading lovers of game and club. In a strong way players and coaches come second, because often they grew up barracking for a different club, and often will run along once established for better money or greater opportunity (which is their right). Therefore this means the ultimate loyalty lies in making sure the fans are getting their endless moneys worth. And if this means making a decision that may seem harsh but is based on the best interests of club and fans, then I say so be it. It is nice to be sentimental, but I for one have never seen a premiership win, and would one day like to, so can forgive them sentimentality.

I can't wait for this season, will get down to Melbourne for as many games as possible, will hoot and holler every goal and harrass and howl every umpiring decision that my completely unbiased eyes see. And at the end of it all, I'll sit down and say "what a great season, bring on 2012".

I'd like to add my 2 cents worth to this post, as my first post, so G'Day everyone. First and foremost I need to stress that personally I think we will improve this year, and this terrible preseason will become a distant memory by rd 22. But I'd like to add a bit to a hypothetical debate, that I believe has a (tiny) bit of merit.

Firstly, all my footy loving, non demon following mates, are always asking me whether or not I think Baileys appointment was a good one. And my response is invariably "I just don't know yet, he's a nice bloke and seems to have a good manner and football mind, but I just don't know yet". Well I believe that he himself won't accept a lack of improvement this year, much less a backwards slide. And if this were to be the case I believe the club owes nothing to a man who fails to do his job, but does owe it to the supporters to get the best coach possible. I loathe MM nearly as much as I loathe his club, but if he were to coach my beloved club to a premiership, I'd nominate him for Australian Of The Year (tongue in cheek to the serious folks). The same must be said for Matthews, however I believe he would be less likely anyhow. Paul Roos on the other hand is a wonderful bloke, a brilliant coach and has the potential to make our players as great as our beloved club. Let's be clear here, I truly want to see our players perform on the field as players and off the field as humans. And I do think he offers the recipe for that.

The most important people at any footy club truly are the mebership holding, ticket buying, DD contributing, merch wearing, internet obsessing, news reading lovers of game and club. In a strong way players and coaches come second, because often they grew up barracking for a different club, and often will run along once established for better money or greater opportunity (which is their right). Therefore this means the ultimate loyalty lies in making sure the fans are getting their endless moneys worth. And if this means making a decision that may seem harsh but is based on the best interests of club and fans, then I say so be it. It is nice to be sentimental, but I for one have never seen a premiership win, and would one day like to, so can forgive them sentimentality.

I can't wait for this season, will get down to Melbourne for as many games as possible, will hoot and holler every goal and harrass and howl every umpiring decision that my completely unbiased eyes see. And at the end of it all, I'll sit down and say "what a great season, bring on 2012".

So from what you have said above..The Team shall improve this year, but you are far from sold on Dean Bailey as a coach. it reads a little counter productive to me.

Maybe a little like this song....

So from what you have said above..The Team shall improve this year, but you are far from sold on Dean Bailey as a coach. it reads a little counter productive to me.

Maybe a little like this song....

Not sitting on the fence at all. Quite the opposite actually. For starters, I never said I was "far from sold" as you claim, just that I am not yet sure. There's quite a difference! Secondly, I made it clear that I do think we will improve, but wanted to add my 2 cents as to what "I" (not you, just my opinion) think should be of major consideration should all hell break loose. I also thought that our preseason would be better than it was, but hey, I was wrong there wasn't I. The reason I decided to make my first post on this topic is because I felt I had a point of view to add which no one else brought up. There is no point adding nothing to the topic, you may as well have said nothing at all. At least read the comment properly before criticising.

Not sitting on the fence at all. Quite the opposite actually. For starters, I never said I was "far from sold" as you claim, just that I am not yet sure. There's quite a difference! Secondly, I made it clear that I do think we will improve, but wanted to add my 2 cents as to what "I" (not you, just my opinion) think should be of major consideration should all hell break loose. I also thought that our preseason would be better than it was, but hey, I was wrong there wasn't I. The reason I decided to make my first post on this topic is because I felt I had a point of view to add which no one else brought up. There is no point adding nothing to the topic, you may as well have said nothing at all. At least read the comment properly before criticising.

You mentioned 3 possible replacement coaches for 2012, So how does that fit in with the team improving this year.

I take no notice of pre season form, as we have absolutely no idea what the FD instructions to the players are.

You mentioned 3 possible replacement coaches for 2012, So how does that fit in with the team improving this year.

I take no notice of pre season form, as we have absolutely no idea what the FD instructions to the players are.

In my reply to you, I said "should all hell break loose" (we take a backward step not forwards). In my original post I said that I believe Dean himself would not accept a lack of improvement, much less a backwards slide, before moving into talk of other coaches. I mentioned those coaches, because they are widely regarded as three of the premier coaches in the league, and would give us an extremely viable alternative "should all hell break loose" this year. I think that makes it pretty clear as to how it fits in with improvement or dreaded lack thereof this year.

In my reply to you, I said "should all hell break loose" (we take a backward step not forwards). In my original post I said that I believe Dean himself would not accept a lack of improvement, much less a backwards slide, before moving into talk of other coaches. I mentioned those coaches, because they are widely regarded as three of the premier coaches in the league, and would give us an extremely viable alternative "should all hell break loose" this year. I think that makes it pretty clear as to how it fits in with improvement or dreaded lack thereof this year.

Correct, what i want to know is...Do you think Dean Bailey has the strength to push the team forward??

By mentioning the 3 other coaches i think you have your doubts.

Correct, what i want to know is...Do you think Dean Bailey has the strength to push the team forward??

By mentioning the 3 other coaches i think you have your doubts.

I was pretty well convinced after last season. The teams we beat weren't the best out there, but there were a number of close results that could have easily gone the other way, making for an even more successful year. And I don't place faith in the preseason. As you said, who knows what the FD has in mind. That said, it has still planted a seed of doubt in my mind. I am not sitting on the fence, and I do have my doubts, but I feel he has done enough for me to reserve my judgement. Regardless of whether I think he has it or not, the other issue is that I believe the club will extend his contract anyway, except in the case of the season becoming an absolute disaster. That is actually the reason for me writing in the first place, because I think they will be looking to give him another chance, where they need to make sure they have the man they need to take our boys, and us, to a flag.

I was pretty well convinced after last season. The teams we beat weren't the best out there, but there were a number of close results that could have easily gone the other way, making for an even more successful year. And I don't place faith in the preseason. As you said, who knows what the FD has in mind. That said, it has still planted a seed of doubt in my mind. I am not sitting on the fence, and I do have my doubts, but I feel he has done enough for me to reserve my judgement. Regardless of whether I think he has it or not, the other issue is that I believe the club will extend his contract anyway, except in the case of the season becoming an absolute disaster. That is actually the reason for me writing in the first place, because I think they will be looking to give him another chance, where they need to make sure they have the man they need to take our boys, and us, to a flag.

Fair enough. My slant on all this is that i think DB is actually enjoying this entire rebuild from the bottom up. What he inherited in 2008 was a total shambles and he knew that.

We are all walking into unchartered waters from this year onwards so i think that needs to be remembered.

Bailey will know exactly where he stands, but what was said at the AGM is Paramount. We all must improve. 2011 is a big year in the life of the MFC.

The club must make the jump. Our excuses of the last 3 years have been used up.

The emphasis on winning Quarters and being competitive is even stronger this year, even if it drives some supporters mad.

Round 17 and QB last year are benchmarks that must now be seen more as "the way the team plays"

Bailey's job is to enforce that, whatever way he can.

Bailey will sign a two year deal sometime this year....thats my opinion

No way if we are 0/4 or 0/5 .

We won't.

We'll be 2 & 2 after 4 games.

My friend we are being negative.4 ZIP would be great buy realiticly 3/1 will be more accurate.

Can you give me a clue beyond Scully?

So far I have not seen any down and dirty recruits.

lots of skilful nice boys but no mongrels yet.

Perhaps Frawley! but he plays a bit far back.

By the way I am not blessed with unlimited time for too much patience.

Could it please be the next 3-4 years

Don't you dare suggest Scully doesn't go hard.

Didn't you seem him go in for the ball against Sandilands?

Bump

Interesting read this one.

Bump

Interesting read this one.

Why Robbief? What's your point? I'm not having a go, I'm too emotional after watching today's tragi-comedy that I watched....

Almost like Pagliacci....

Why Robbief? What's your point? I'm not having a go, I'm too emotional after watching today's tragi-comedy that I watched....

Almost like Pagliacci....

Why do you want to murder your wife?

The reason is the opening poster got slammed for his thoughts and I guess a few on here might want to rethink how they respond in future.

Why do you want to murder your wife?

The reason is the opening poster got slammed for his thoughts and I guess a few on here might want to rethink how they respond in future.

Oh I see..no, there's no murdering going on, just tears....

Hypotheticals.

Fun.

I could go through this and make this look particularly ridiculous, but this post isn't worth it.

It hasn't met basic standards of common sense and reason, and is pure MFCSS.

Do you remember this one RPFC?

I don't think we should sack the coach but it wouldn't surprise me if we were 1 and 3 at the end of the fourth. Our form(?) over the preseason has been appalling and you can gloss it over any way you want but we have played terrible football.

We got thrashed by Brisbane at Princess Park and the score line flattered us, their players were better than ours on every line and their desire for the ball was greater; anyone putting the third round match against them as a win should think again. Sydney will beat us easily as will Hawthorn but we may beat the Gold Coast, I wouldn't put my house on it though.

We have a lot of improvement to make if we are going to be competitive this year, as I said earlier this is starting to look like 2007 all over again. We have the same team as last year with a couple of Veterans gone and a lot of the young players having interrupted starts to the year. Where's the improvement coming from?

even at the start of the year you were pessimist.