I don't like bagging any player, especially at another club. If they leave us - then out of sight, out of mind.

Let's worry about our own flock.

Agree, other than thugs and snipers, who deserve some bagging.

I think that is pretty much what I referred to in my post.....If he had the work rate of Stinger he could have been anything as his natural talent is equal to anything that has walked into our club in the last 20 years (THIS CANNOT BE ARGUED!!) Output was sadly far far less than the majority who have walked through the door during Traps time.

Its not just work rate, it also his immature. And there is no need to yell your point of view. Its does not make a wrong assertion any more accurate. He was highly rated and did not deliver. Your final assessment is an embarrassing stock take on a player who was a No 1 pick. 160 often ordinary games in 10 years. What a waste

I would take his lazy, undisciplined, immaturity over the graft of a Paul Hopgood any day. Sorry if that is not the politically correct thing to say but I can remember many games Trap played that will stay with me than ONE that Hopgood played. I think I'm still miffed that Hopgood ever got on that list of best players in our history.....how very sad!

Wow Johstone vs Hopgood....geez its a toughy. I dont think that the logical choice and its hardly makes TJ look a better prospect when you pit him against a suburban footballer who was not blessed with talent but gave his all in his 113 games.

For a No 1 pick I would expect a player to a 10 year 200 game player who is a leader at his club and the winner of multiple awards who was elite or near elite in his position. TJ was underwhelming at best.

FWIW, I have more admiration for guys like Junior, Kirk and others who cmoe from down the draft list or the rookie list and work to achieve considerable performance at AFL level off limited talent bases

And I hope we are not cursed with any further lazy, undisciplined, immature with a gameboy mentality.

For all you who say you dont wish injury on other players and feel sorry for them, ra, ra, ra - don't speak utter tripe!

And you wish injury on other players?? You're a fine one aren't you? FFS

All I can say is 'that's great' - on both accounts! For all you who say you dont wish injury on other players and feel sorry for them, ra, ra, ra - don't speak utter tripe!

I'm a member.....are you?

With an attitude like that, yes, perhaps you are a "member".

With an attitude like that, yes, perhaps you are a "member".

Dat member, or dis-member?, that is the question...LOL

With an attitude like that, yes, perhaps you are a "member".

Perhaps he is a "Gold Member" Mr Austin Powers hardtack.

Toward the end of last year, McLean was getting more roles outside the centre. When his new contract came out with lower $$$, he would have seen the writing on the wall. Apparently he had been speaking with Ratten and Riley during 2009.

I don't see this as necessarily a situation engineered by the coaching staff but it was a natural progression and the football dept had to see it coming.

Brock is useless unless he is playing on ball and the way the game is headed (and our team) is gearing towards 3/4 of your team being able to play through the midfield and rotate through other positions on the field.

Versatility is a requirement and it is something Brock doesn't have.

While he was on our list he was worth persevering with, but Bailey's placement of Brock in foreign positions was going to force someone's hand eventually.

Brock felt unhappy and chose to go; we weren't opposed to it and saw that he would cease to work in our system anyway.

Incredible that we managed to get so much for him.

I see no reason to hate him and rejoice in his failures, rather I'm just happy he decided to time his departure perfectly.

Its not just work rate, it also his immature. And there is no need to yell your point of view. Its does not make a wrong assertion any more accurate. He was highly rated and did not deliver. Your final assessment is an embarrassing stock take on a player who was a No 1 pick. 160 often ordinary games in 10 years. What a waste

Wow Johstone vs Hopgood....geez its a toughy. I dont think that the logical choice and its hardly makes TJ look a better prospect when you pit him against a suburban footballer who was not blessed with talent but gave his all in his 113 games.

For a No 1 pick I would expect a player to a 10 year 200 game player who is a leader at his club and the winner of multiple awards who was elite or near elite in his position. TJ was underwhelming at best.

FWIW, I have more admiration for guys like Junior, Kirk and others who cmoe from down the draft list or the rookie list and work to achieve considerable performance at AFL level off limited talent bases

And I hope we are not cursed with any further lazy, undisciplined, immature with a gameboy mentality.

Mate....firstly, how do you assert that my 'final assessment is an embarrassing stocktake" in regard to me actually being in the affirmative that "Traps output was far less than the majority that have walked through the door".

I would suggest that I am agreeing with the level of output that Trap delivered in comparing the natural born talent he was blessed with. You can say I am wrong as much as you like...whether I confirm the point in CAPS or not.....the fact is there has been no one more talented come onto our list in the last 20 years. You and others can argue the point on that but IMO everyone that has walked through the MFC door in that time has not been blessed with anymore natural talent than Trap was.......this argument does not extend to 'output', just talent alone so argue the point on that.

I think I finished my sentence on this topic regarding Trap that 'his talent has got him through'

I hear you on my Hopgood rant....and yes, others such as Junior, Kirk etc are deservingly praised for extracting every ounce of ability that they could muster to forge what have been outstanding careers, but IMO I wouldn't even get near having Hopgood in the same bracket as those two. Yep good on Hopgood....the fact the he did extract 113 games from very limited ability says to me what an average list the Dees had that time for him to get to that many. Maybe that is unfair but it is my opinion. I still cannot understand that in the entire MFC history he is rated in the top 150.

Pick 11! I mean.. pick 11... *chuckles and shakes head*

The other news makes me just as happy. Hope there are enough droppings to give Wonna and Jetta a run this week.

Perhaps he is a "Gold Member" Mr Austin Powers hardtack.

Certainly am a Gold Member and proud of it! If only Brock had been committed to the club for as long as I have been?!

And you wish injury on other players?? You're a fine one aren't you? FFS

Not at all - and I think you missed my point! I meant that it's just a waste of time to say oh we wish them all the best or speedy recovery etc, etc! A lot different to saying I wish he'd get injured or hope he misses 12 months! If you want to sit there and cry over Brock missing a few months, then good on you!

no bitterness here, but a previous post said he felt sorry for him, i just simply stated im not sorry to see the back of him and stated why

Exactly right!

So is this confirmed yet regarding Brock? Haven't heard it mentioned on any official site or publication. In fact Brock is not even on the official injury list from the AFL website. So is this even true.

Certainly am a Gold Member and proud of it! If only Brock had been committed to the club for as long as I have been?!

So you would say you have contributed more than the $10,000 he gave to the Debt Demolition fund? The guy was obviously committed to the club, but being a realist, and as I said somewhere else, he probably saw the writing on the wall as far as his future viability playing with Melbourne was concerned and decided to move on. Also, having an uncle who had been a prominent Carlton player probably helped his decision to move to that club (and made him more attractive to them). And don't forget that by moving on in the way he did, as well as the $10K, he contributed pick 11.

You really ARE a "member".

BROCK IS GONE!!!!!!! GONE!!!!!! CAN SOME OF U LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON!!!!! HE WALKED OUT ON THE CLUB TO CARLTON!!!!!!! HE WALKED OUT !!!!!!

its in capitals as i am shouting. great news about the brothers though. great for the club, especially up north. good on ya MFC. Keep the signings coming, Rick Bobby next please

AGAIN BROCK MCLEAN HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!!!!!!!!

So you would say you have contributed more than the $10,000 he gave to the Debt Demolition fund? The guy was obviously committed to the club, but being a realist, and as I said somewhere else, he probably saw the writing on the wall as far as his future viability playing with Melbourne was concerned and decided to move on. Also, having an uncle who had been a prominent Carlton player probably helped his decision to move to that club (and made him more attractive to them). And don't forget that by moving on in the way he did, as well as the $10K, he contributed pick 11.

You really ARE a "member".

To quote that famous Gough Whitlam line: "He's a Country Member" Response "Yeah, I remember"

BROCK IS GONE!!!!!!! GONE!!!!!! CAN SOME OF U LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON!!!!! HE WALKED OUT ON THE CLUB TO CARLTON!!!!!!! HE WALKED OUT !!!!!!

its in capitals as i am shouting. great news about the brothers though. great for the club, especially up north. good on ya MFC. Keep the signings coming, Rick Bobby next please

AGAIN BROCK MCLEAN HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!!!!!!!!

What was that, I couldn't hear you, what did you say?

Perhaps he is a "Gold Member" Mr Austin Powers hardtack.

that's GOLD !

that's GOLD !

And Brock is a blue....they can have each other and we will all enjoy the Gys!

So you would say you have contributed more than the $10,000 he gave to the Debt Demolition fund? The guy was obviously committed to the club, but being a realist, and as I said somewhere else, he probably saw the writing on the wall as far as his future viability playing with Melbourne was concerned and decided to move on. Also, having an uncle who had been a prominent Carlton player probably helped his decision to move to that club (and made him more attractive to them). And don't forget that by moving on in the way he did, as well as the $10K, he contributed pick 11.

You really ARE a "member".

Fair point...

Interesting to see though who of you still have posters of chook on your walls. Get over him!

Well I don't wish the guy that kind of bad luck. He is a young, elite sportsman in a cut-throat, competitive world. Unlike internet typing.

Snap! Well said.

Happy to hear about the re-signings, Jurrah seemed a lock but great to hear Jetta and Bennell are keen on staying too.

great news

#1 the boys signing up ( i doubted bennell alot last year but i have really got on the bandwagon)

#2 brock injured again not great news ( but not in our hands this time which is fantastic)

brock was always an OK player at best! i will never understand why members loved him soo much!

Just heard that Brock McLean is to have hip-( i think its hip?) surgery and will be out for 12? months.

Sometimes I have to wonder where these kinds of rumours spring from... and the interesting thing with his one is that it was never refuted... until today when one Brock McLean is running around against West Coast.

Brock went of with some injurys today and played pretty poor.

I hope he doesnt get dropped and plays next week against us.

Will be interesting.

Brock went of with some injurys today and played pretty poor.

I hope he doesnt get dropped and plays next week against us.

Will be interesting.

Enter the booing debate...