Ball no longer a Saint, confirmed.

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

I apparently need to say it again.. ( and the last time.. you'll be pleased ) Yes it was reported in the paper. It quotes Connolly.. No one has ever refuted that there was a meeting requested.. Not them. not the clubs, Cuddles etc. So on that prime face I take it there was.

So if there was...at his ( Ball/Connors) request a meeting to be had, only to be eschewed, then all things considered would you not think he had to answer for that ? I do ..if for no other reason than to clear the air and present himself as honourable. Seems they are as shifty as the Sahara. All very well intimating ( via 3rd person leaking ) that he's not so keen on wooden spoon teams... but then again why even approach us in the first place then.... but he's not making himself to be much better.

Much comes down to I suppose personal opinion ( god forbid thats forums for you ..lol ) and how one is used to dealings in life.

Some prefer to be men about things.. some mice

The Journalist reported that a meeting was to be scheduled.

The Fact that we did not hear a Radio Grab of Connors/Ball saying this or a doorstop grab on the TV always made me wonder whether in fact this was the case.

Usually in these situations a statement is made, We also have heard nothing from MFC as in "We were Snubbed"....not a word. So i am starting to think that no meeting was ever planned less scheduled.

Once again Time will Tell. But Luke Ball has done no wrong to this club to this point (apart from getting Wrecker reported) so i believe he owes us nothing.

[Redleg 40,811]

I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning, like a whirl pool it never ENDS

"Oh sweet pea, why won't you dance with me". Ah the bubblegum music of the 60's.

Edited November 4, 2009 by Redleg

[Redleg 40,811]

Confirmation is getting closer. Where is that countdown clock when you need it?

[Guest The Old Xaverian]

So how many times in 2009 was Collingwood drawn to play against the previous year's grand finallists Hawthorn and Geelong?

I don't see how using 1 side that finished out of the 8 & 1 side that did is a valid argument.

The facts are that Collingwood played 12 of it's 22 against sides that finished in the Top 8 in 2009. In 2009, they won 8 of these games. Geelong, WB & St. Kilda played less Top 8 sides in 2009 therefore your claim that Collingwood had an easy draw is baseless & missing fact.

These included wins against Brisbane in Brisbane & Adelaide in Adelaide, who were without doubt the form team of the AFL at that point.

It's a myth that Collingwood have an easy draw, no one beyond the 3 powers of the AFL, Essendon, Carlton & Collingwood understands that regardless of ladder position, these are bonafide 50/50 contests like Showdowns in SA & Derby's in W.A. It's another myth that Collingwood don't travel, since 06, we've won 12 of 15 games interstate. Only Geelong has a superior record.

Edited November 4, 2009 by The Old Xaverian

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

I don't see how using 1 side that finished out of the 8 & 1 side that did is a valid argument.

The facts are that Collingwood played 12 of it's 22 against sides that finished in the Top 8 in 2009. In 2009, they won 8 of these games. Geelong, WB & St. Kilda played less Top 8 sides in 2009 therefore your claim that Collingwood had an easy draw is baseless & missing fact.

These included wins against Brisbane in Brisbane & Adelaide in Adelaide, who were without doubt the form team of the AFL at that point.

It's a myth that Collingwood have an easy draw, no one beyond the 3 powers of the AFL, Essendon, Carlton & Collingwood understands that regardless of ladder position, these are bonafide 50/50 contests like Showdowns in SA & Derby's in W.A. It's another myth that Collingwood don't travel, since 06, we've won 12 of 15 games interstate. Only Geelong has a superior record.

:lol:

IF i Barracked for the Filth i would be far more concerned that the Team was absolutely CARVED UP in a Prelim Final rather than how successful the team was during the Round 22 Games in 2009.

Keep going old, You are very Humorous while i am at work.

2009 was a big Failure for collingFilth i would surmise, you may think differently.

Home & Away means Little....September gets remembered....Carry on....

BTW..When did The Filth last play Geelong at Geelong?? 18 Games at the 'G is soft, however you look at it.

Edited November 4, 2009 by why you little

[45HG 1,539]

Old Xav is probably just thankful they didn't make the GF.

[Blistering 538]

I don't see how using 1 side that finished out of the 8 & 1 side that did is a valid argument.

The facts are that Collingwood played 12 of it's 22 against sides that finished in the Top 8 in 2009. In 2009, they won 8 of these games. Geelong, WB & St. Kilda played less Top 8 sides in 2009 therefore your claim that Collingwood had an easy draw is baseless & missing fact.

Rubbish.

The first two teams mentioned were the 2008 grand finallists. In discussing your fixture for 2009 they are relevant. You were given an easy draw in terms of avoiding return games against both. You lost to both. The next best team of 2008 was St. Kilda. You played them once and you lost to them. The only top four team from the previous year that you played twice was the Bulldogs. You won by a point and lost by four goals the second time. You struggle against the real top sides and next year you have a tougher draw. Your coach hasn't stopped whinging about it because he knows you're not going to have a long streak against the weaker clubs that you had this year.

I think you should check your facts as well because on your information as above Collingwood only lost four times against the other top 8 clubs. I make it 6 of last year's top 8 -

Geelong, St. Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Adelaide, Carlton and Essendon beating Collingwood in 2009. It's not a good idea to turn up around here trying to make an argument when you're factually challenged.

[45HG 1,539]

St Kilda LOST

Geelong LOST

W.B WON LOST

Adelaide LOST WON

Brisbane WON WON

Carlton LOST WON

Essendon LOST WON

6-6 against other top 8 sides

Hawthorn LOST

Port Adelaide WON

West Coast WON

Sydney WON WON

North M WON

Freo WON

Richmond WON

Melbourne WON WON

8-0 against bottom 7

They hit form winning 12 of 13 games leading into round 22 and were arguably the form team going into the finals. Then, well, Septembet happened. The second Dogs loss was also a costly won - because winning this (or even not losing by too much) would have meant a match against their bunnies. Remember them, that team Collingwood always play well against. Yeah, them.

Edited November 4, 2009 by 45hotgod16

[Guest The Old Xaverian]

Rubbish.

The first two teams mentioned were the 2008 grand finallists. In discussing your fixture for 2009 they are relevant.

No, it isn't relevant for the discussion/perception that it is an easy draw.

What is relevant is their performance in 2009. 1 won the flag & the other side won 9 of 22 games in 2009. If you want to go further, drawing a game against Geelong based on your 2008 logic is an example of Collingwood getting an easy fixture given Collingwood defeated Geelong by 86 points the last time they played them.

It isn't a strong argument for saying that it was an easy draw.

You were given an easy draw in terms of avoiding return games against both. You lost to both.

So, b/c Collingwood lost 1 game against Hawthorn, it is an easier draw than say playing return games against the WB (who finished top 4 in 2009) or Adelaide or Brisbane or Essendon or Carlton?

No logic there on your part.

You obviously didn't attend a private school/aren't an MCC Member (true Melbourne fan).

Your coach hasn't stopped whinging about it because he knows you're not going to have a long streak against the weaker clubs that you had this year

If things go as I predict them, Carlton will fall out of the 8 with Fev gone & Essendon will struggle with retirements/players walking out, Collingwood will play less Top 8 sides than they did in 2009, but it is funny the perception is we have a "harder" draw.

Don't pay too much attention to Mick, he has started playing mind games; like the Adelaide final, when we were written off, we were are at our best. This is when Collingwood excel, not when they are dubbed favorites like they were after the Sydney game in RD 21.

Edited November 4, 2009 by The Old Xaverian

[45HG 1,539]

What is relevant if their performance in 2009. 1 won the flag & the other side won 9 of 22 games in 2009.

And spanked you

[hoopla 418]

Why should Luke Ball show us Respect BB. He plays for an opposition Club.

St.Kilda & his Management may have told him not to say a word, as of last fridays player lists-Ball was not Delisted from st.kilda

He does not have to say one bloody word to us at all.

The MFC only comes into the picture when he has officially left the aints, which is yet to happen.

Quite correct...he has no obligation whatever to say anything to us ..or indeed to any other club.

Why are you just attacking him? Why don't you have a crack at CC while you are at it? What does he know? Has Ball refused to answer his calls ? Does he think Ball lacks etiquette? If so why doesn't he have enough balls to come out and say it? ( yes..pun intended). If not why doesn't he have have sufficient empathy with his own frustrated supporters to say something to them? Has he given Ball an ultimatum? If not.. why not?

I have no quarrel with CC - but then I have no quarrel with Luke Ball either.

If you are going to bag Ball for his silence - the please bag the MFC for its silence as well

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

No, it isn't relevant for the discussion/perception that it is an easy draw.

What is relevant is their performance in 2009. 1 won the flag & the other side won 9 of 22 games in 2009. If you want to go further, drawing a game against Geelong based on your 2008 logic is an example of Collingwood getting an easy fixture given Collingwood defeated Geelong by 86 points the last time they played them.

It isn't a strong argument for saying that it was an easy draw.

So, b/c Collingwood lost 1 game against Hawthorn, it is an easier draw than say playing return games against the WB (who finished top 4 in 2009) or Adelaide or Brisbane or Essendon or Carlton?

No logic there on your part.

You obviously didn't attend a private school/aren't an MCC Member (true Melbourne fan).

If things go as I predict them, Carlton will fall out of the 8 with Fev gone & Essendon will struggle with retirements/players walking out, Collingwood will play less Top 8 sides than they did in 2009, but it is funny the perception is we have a "harder" draw.

Don't pay too much attention to Mick, he has started playing mind games; like the Adelaide final, when we were written off, we were are at our best. This is when Collingwood excel, not when they are dubbed favorites like they were after the Sydney game in RD 21.

Please Please Old your arguements are going around in large circles.. i think it is known as "clutching at straws"

Please answer my question...When did you last play Geelong at Geelong? Hmmmm.

The Filth get a soft draw year in year out playing on our soil. This you cannot deny.

I wait for your answer....as do us all on here.

Edited November 4, 2009 by why you little

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

I wait for your answer....as do us all on here.

You're right about everything but this. I think you'll find nearly no-one gives a stuff what a one-eyed pies supporter thinks about our draw. Going on his logic his team is the best, the youngest, and has a fair draw. Not ONCE has he admitted he's wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The sooner we ignore him, the sooner he disappears.

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

You're right about everything but this. I think you'll find nearly no-one gives a stuff what a one-eyed pies supporter thinks about our draw. Going on his logic his team is the best, the youngest, and has a fair draw. Not ONCE has he admitted he's wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The sooner we ignore him, the sooner he disappears.

No i want an admission that HIS TEAMS draw is soft on a yearly Basis. The MFC have played many Games at Geelong over the Past 21 years. The Toughest Ground to win from in the Modern era by far....when did the dilth last play there???

[Chelly 810]

I think you should check your facts as well because on your information as above Collingwood only lost four times against the other top 8 clubs. I make it 6 of last year's top 8 -

Geelong, St. Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Adelaide, Carlton and Essendon beating Collingwood in 2009. It's not a good idea to turn up around here trying to make an argument when you're factually challenged.

Did you really expect that a Collingw&%$ supporter was capable of counting past four?

[Craig Drinker 179]

Why are we bothering to talk about Collingwood on here?

[jnrmac 20,053]

Quite correct...he has no obligation whatever to say anything to us ..or indeed to any other club.

Why are you just attacking him? Why don't you have a crack at CC while you are at it? What does he know? Has Ball refused to answer his calls ? Does he think Ball lacks etiquette? If so why doesn't he have enough balls to come out and say it? ( yes..pun intended). If not why doesn't he have have sufficient empathy with his own frustrated supporters to say something to them? Has he given Ball an ultimatum? If not.. why not?

I have no quarrel with CC - but then I have no quarrel with Luke Ball either.

If you are going to bag Ball for his silence - the please bag the MFC for its silence as well

Ball will speak to Melbourne because he needs to exert some pressure on St Kilda who can lose him for nothing. It should by rights increase pressure on the Saints to come to terms with Luke. What I found particularly interesting was that on the Saintsational fan site I could hardly find Ball's name mentioned. So it appears their supporters aren't kicking up too much of a fuss whether he stays or goes. That weakens his bargaining position wit the Saints.

And of course we have all the bases covered in the ND and PSD.

This is a game of blink. As if they would play it out in the media.

[titan_uranus 24,965]

These included wins against Brisbane in Brisbane & Adelaide in Adelaide, who were without doubt the form team of the AFL at that point.

I thought you were the form team of the AFL at that point?

Is this an admission that Collingwood was not the best team?

It's a myth that Collingwood have an easy draw, no one beyond the 3 powers of the AFL, Essendon, Carlton & Collingwood understands that regardless of ladder position, these are bonafide 50/50 contests like Showdowns in SA & Derby's in W.A. It's another myth that Collingwood don't travel, since 06, we've won 12 of 15 games interstate. Only Geelong has a superior record.

No it's not. You play 4 games per year outside of Melbourne. Essendon in 2010 becomes the first team in my memory to play less than that.

We know the reasons why, so I'm not complaining. And it's also true that you do play well interstate. But the fact remains that you only play 4 games per year interstate. The Dogs play 6 or 7.

The MFC have played many Games at Geelong over the Past 21 years. The Toughest Ground to win from in the Modern era by far....when did the dilth last play there???

Come on, WYL. It's pretty freakin obvious why they don't go to Geelong. Crowds. Too many supporters would get locked out of a Geelong-Collingwood game at SS.

Drop the sour grapes.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/frem...x-1225794444701

With Collingwood now looking at Welsh it would appear that they have given up any hope of securing Luke Ball. Maybe we could rain on their parade and take him at first pick in the PSD if he is still there.

[Redleg 40,811]

Come on, WYL. It's pretty freakin obvious why they don't go to Geelong. Crowds. Too many supporters would get locked out of a Geelong-Collingwood game at SS.

Drop the sour grapes.

That doesn't answer why we get sent there every year for a near certain defeat and where our supporters can't get in either.

Agree that more Pie fans would be locked out than Dee fans but there are still plenty of ours locked out and most don't even bother trying anymore.

Why can't the 7 games they play there be all against interstate sides so no one is locked out at all. That ground is filled by Cats fans each game with most on permanent seats. They will fill it whoever they play. With the 2 new teams that will be 8 games that could be used.

Also AFL or MFC tickets are useless at SS.

[SidVicious 130]

Why are we bothering to talk about Collingwood on here?

Because it's been suggested that Luke Ball would prefer to play at a team like Collingwood with good premiership prospects rather than at the wooden spooner.

In opposition to that it's been pointed out that Collingwood's premiership prospects in the short term are not all that good in view of the fact that the AFL has handed them a tougher fixture than usual for 2010.

A Collingwood supporter has responded by saying that his team's fixture in 2009 which included a return game against only one of the previous year's top four teams was monsterously tough and that they were courageous going into the finals this year with an injury riddled team (i.e. one or two players out of 46 missing).

I think that just about sums it all up.

[The Emblem 1]

Because it's been suggested that Luke Ball would prefer to play at a team like Collingwood with good premiership prospects rather than at the wooden spooner.

In opposition to that it's been pointed out that Collingwood's premiership prospects in the short term are not all that good in view of the fact that the AFL has handed them a tougher fixture than usual for 2010.

A Collingwood supporter has responded by saying that his team's fixture in 2009 which included a return game against only one of the previous year's top four teams was monsterously tough and that they were courageous going into the finals this year with an injury riddled team (i.e. one or two players out of 46 missing).

I think that just about sums it all up.

You forgot to mention that the umpires crucified them!

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

That doesn't answer why we get sent there every year for a near certain defeat and where our supporters can't get in either.

Agree that more Pie fans would be locked out than Dee fans but there are still plenty of ours locked out and most don't even bother trying anymore.

Why can't the 7 games they play there be all against interstate sides so no one is locked out at all. That ground is filled by Cats fans each game with most on permanent seats. They will fill it whoever they play. With the 2 new teams that will be 8 games that could be used.

Also AFL or MFC tickets are useless at SS.

Correct, it's not sour Grapes Titan. I have been unable to get into the Cattery on a number of occcasions because of the seating arrangements down there.

Plus Geelong are the only victorian club with a genuine home ground advantage left.

All this while "old" bleats out that it's a myth that collingwood get an easy draw....Bollocks to that

[pitmaster 3,512]

If he wanted to come to Melbourne why would he not already be training with us? More likely he is trying to ensure it is worth staying a saint.

Only if that fails will we get him. So it's all in Ross Lyon's court.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The ball is actually in Luke Ball's court (yeah sorry about that).

His preference was Collingwood. He has to work out the less unpalatable solution between StK, MFC and the ND.

If Luke cant come to terms with St K, then he gulp must come to MFC if he wants any certainty in his future.

I think he will come to terms with StK.