Theoretically, that would be Brad Miller.

I can't remember McLean's efforts in finals other than the magical St. Kilda final - his best career game. I'm ok with pick 11 for Brock, just not with the glee players seem to have at leaving the club.

glee? where is this glee evidenced?

And in my mind it is all about money

For suppoters who are not Melbourne or Carlton have said Mclean for pick 11 is rough on Melbourne (my mates)

I can't have it either that players would be upset over the CJ incident, that to me is ridiculous. They are well paid professional athletes, small incidents like that probably happen in non professional teams all over the country in all sports, and i doubt they would cause major rifts.

Completely agree with this.

Unless he tried to go at him with a baseball bat, it sounds a little over the top and if true, the players should step out of the bellarina costumes and harden up.

Stuff like that would happen at my old footy clubs and it would only serve to strengthen you to your club. Johnson came back after he'd already asked to leave, it's not like he played for the club and Bailey told him to f.off and then CJ left.

Just couldn't see Davey doing it (though I said the same about Brock). He already lives in the same city as his brother and has played at the Dees for over 5 seasons as a club's favourite son. He has an important role as a mentor and is a respected leader at the club.

If he was to leave, I would have serious concerns.

If Aussie would leave the club for Davey leaving, then there are serious issues over him.

Will he not be able to play if Davey doesn't?

This goes far beyond football ability and you know that.

These indigenous boys who come from remote territories are all supremely talented but sometimes have their careers stall because they struggle to adjust to the lifestyle and the separation from their community.

Aussie will remain the same player with or without Davey, but he may struggle to remain in Victoria and live this lifestyle without the support of his brothers. We might not understand that, but it's a bond that has really helped Davey, Aussie and obviously Jurrah.

what people don't realize is that this will hurt carlton in the long term. They were probably going to use pick 11 on a tall forward. Fev is getting old. The up coming compromised drafts will make it even harder for them to secure a key forward. I don't really see how this is a good move by them. They already have one of the best up and coming midfield's in the comp. They don't need Mclean. I see Kruzer as a ruckman, not a Key forward. so i don't know what they are going to do once Fev is gone.

I don;t see why people are so upset about Brock leaving anyway. He wasn't going to be one of our starting midfielders in the next few years anyway and i think he knew that. Pick 11 is a good result as now we can secure another quality tall, the last piece of the puzzle.

NOT F#CK@NG HAPPY!!!!

Dean Bailey and Co will be reading this forum, please let us the demon faith full know wtf is going on, we have had to put up with your [censored] football over the last two years, my membership renewal is on the cusp of been put the shredder....

Smarten Up MFC......

glee? where is this glee evidenced?

And in my mind it is all about money

Not money. Game-time. Where do you have Brock in our midfield in 2 years? I think most have him at Casey. It's a good move if he can cement a spot, even if it is with Carlton.

Please take Mcleans photo from the main page, he does not deserve a spot amongst the gods...

Yeah I understand that Jaded.

I'll restate my position. I'm not giving you Bennel and Jetta. Benny and the Jets have each other and will be fine.

And Aussie and Jurrah will be fine because Davey is not leaving this club.

I suppose I haven't reached your level of detachment, I still actually enjoy supporting players as individuals, as well as the club.

You obviously don't feel the same, lucky you.

I'm shattered, especially since Brock will be going to f'ing Carlton!!!!! :angry:

Agree, as a supporter i can help but feel attached.

Well. I'm gonna have to change my name then. I'm gonna make sure it's not a player this time cause I'm clearly cursed. What a difference a year makes, second in the B&F playing about half the year touted as captain the recruiters said that they wanted midfielders to help out McLean now he's been sacked.

I'm disappointed but not surprised in the end probably one of either McLean, Moloney or Jones had to go I thought it would be Jones but I suppose McLean has the most currency.

I may have to rethink our chances for the 8. I don't think Moloney and Jones have the football brain to step up a level to be very good footballers next year while I thought McLean would the rest are babies in Scully, Trengrove (has to be a certainty for pick 2 now) and Grimes.

With the way McLean played this year I think pick 11 would be the best outcome we could get but to go to Carlton is a bit of a surprise they all ready have a good midfield with Judd, Murphy and Gibbs he's not really needed I would of thought that they would be better off looking for a key back or key forward. I think the club is becoming a bit too obsessed with the draft. Time will tell if they have done the right thing, don't do a Cameron and Fark this up Prendagast.

Harsh, the only thing that has happened as of yet, is that McLean has left when the footy club wanted him to stay and we got a good pick for him.

Agree. This makes our club look even worse as well. I will cop so much [censored] for this.

Lol same, and i have p.e tomoro holiday class. But thats not the problem lol.

Completely agree with this.

Unless he tried to go at him with a baseball bat, it sounds a little over the top and if true, the players should step out of the bellarina costumes and harden up.

Stuff like that would happen at my old footy clubs and it would only serve to strengthen you to your club. Johnson came back after he'd already asked to leave, it's not like he played for the club and Bailey told him to f.off and then CJ left.

Just couldn't see Davey doing it (though I said the same about Brock). He already lives in the same city as his brother and has played at the Dees for over 5 seasons as a club's favourite son. He has an important role as a mentor and is a respected leader at the club.

If he was to leave, I would have serious concerns.

Surely he'd have to have a degree of loyalty to the club that gave him a chance? I know I would. He'd been passed over as too small and only one club was willing to give him a shot. That's got to be a factor now that he's shown what he can do.

great!

for years ive almost hated mclean because this forum!

he was so over hyped it was CRAZY!

i have wanted him to be traded for many years..i however didnt think he would leave at this stage of his career but WOW!

i thought he was a real football romantic and would deff try stay a 1 club player.

the fact that he requested really makes me interested to hear the full story.

His service has been good, he has done some wrong things and some really great things (10k)

Sadly he will not really be missed

I guess deefatcat was right, Good work I just hope the Davey rumour isn't true.

If that's true then we are farked

For suppoters who are not Melbourne or Carlton have said Mclean for pick 11 is rough on Melbourne (my mates)

I'm pouring the bath and have assembled the razor blades.

I'm pouring the bath and have assembled the razor blades.

What are you on about.

I am sad about this, but I can see how it's happened.

As others have intimated, I think Brock has seen our recruiting aims as a vote of no confidence - where would he fit into a midfield with Scully, Trengove, Jones etc in 3 year's time?

I wish Brock the best of luck, and despite the fact that he's gone to the biggest bunch of cheats in the world, I hope he finds some finals success that he deserves, just in time before the Dees dominate and win a flag. Carlton with Brock a flag in 2011... Melbourne a flag in 2012. No hard feelings for anyone.

Thanks Brock, for some inspirational stuff along our journey.

I'm pouring the bath and have assembled the razor blades.

bit extreme when cartons of johhny walkers cans are going for $65

Not money. Game-time. Where do you have Brock in our midfield in 2 years? I think most have him at Casey. It's a good move if he can cement a spot, even if it is with Carlton.

Brock will easily make carlton's starting midfield, and they actually have a midfield. I cannot understand how demonlanders come to this conclusion with the list we have.

but the point is moot anyway

if we are to go after burgoyne, then surely davey must be at the club, yeh?

Ok i will not reveal my source - you would not believe it... The very same source has said the following .. Davey wants out - to play with his brother, the players as a group have no idea what the game plan is and there is much anger about the C.J send off. I know i will not be believed but it was the same conversation about brock. We will have to work hard to keep Flash.

I don't want too believe, Not Davey !! If this happens we have very deep problems !!

Surely he'd have to have a degree of loyalty to the club that gave him a chance? I know I would. He'd been passed over as too small and only one club was willing to give him a shot. That's got to be a factor now that he's shown what he can do.

We don't really know the ins and outs of it, but the fact that the deal to Carlton has already been done tells me that Carlton were obviously into him early, probably telling him all the things that many posters have been writing here, about where his long term standing will be in our midfield and what they could offer him.

So he goes to the club has a chat with them, and they rightly can't give him any assurances as to his playing future. Brock says bye-bye MFC, hello Carlton.

That's my read on the situation anyway.

There is also the suspected rift between himself and DB, and the history between himself, Ratten and Riley.

FU&K YOU MCLEAN

Even if it's a brilliant move, it sets our return to finals back. Even if all the players taken between '07 and '09 are rippers, it means the EARLIEST we come good is 2012.

I think that's the earliest we'll be a legit contender regardless of whether we had McLean.

The cream of our crop isn't with players from the McLean 'generation' (to use that term very loosely), it's with younger guys.

This draft is also probably our last crack at drafting a promising young tall that will develop quickly enough to be a force while guys like Frawley are at their peak.