Ted Lasso

you may well be right, but i can't see Jobe willingly admitting any sort of guilt, and i think he'd view handing it back as admitting guilt, i think the AFL will have to take it.

I am waiting for, we felt that all the players had different circumstances within this SAGA and different levels of guilt and we couldn't strip the award without being able to establish just how much guilt jobe had blah blah blah then the first person with any common sense says, sorry Gil, it's not your job to decide guilt now.

They needed to keep this as simple as possible in my opinion, let Jobe know that if the appeal failed he'd lose the medal, that simple, if there is some sort of information out there that makes jobes case different from the rest of the players, the time to use it has been and gone, now the AFL just has to act.

But surely they do, he's been found guilty and lost on appeal, i'm not sure what information they could possibly need at this point.

for sure, but i can't see how they wouldn't have told Jobe that if the appeals failed they'd have to strip the medal, why they're letting him plead a case baffles me, he's now a convicted cheat. Rory Sloane could have missed out on a Brownlow for a slightly late bump this year...

I've heard Bombers supporters claim that because the "AFL" tribunal found them "not guilty" the WADA ruling is irrelevant and he should keep it. clearly they're delusional beyond words, but it seems the AFL may be just as bad simply because he still holds that medal.

I reckon that's what will happen, i just think it would be nothing short of embarrassing

I reckon we all do that though don't we? plenty were talking Jesse Hogan down before he re-signed, it seems once a player looks like leaving a club suddenly that club doesn't rate the player nearly as highly. he passed a medical and is expected to start pre-season right away so there can't be any huge issues.

I am amazed that it wasn't clear to Jobe and all involved that if the appeal failed he'd have to hand it back, there is no reason to hear from Jobe and even less to hear from Cotchin or Mitchell. a convicted drug cheat in 2012 cannot also be the "fairest" and best player in the very same year. the AFL just seems to lack the backbone to make the decision

a player who bumps someone slightly to high doesn't qualify for the Brownlow, but players guilty of systematic cheating and use of performance enhancing substances do. the sporting world will treat the AFL as more of a joke if they allow him to keep it.

Makes you wonder if Essendon won the flag in 2012 would Gil and the AFL have taken the flag off them you'd hope that and the brownlow would be no brainers.

Lewis and Hibberd are both beautiful kicks of the ball, our skill level just got a really timely boost! as well as composure, experienced leaders.

I wonder if we'd look to offer up one of these later picks and spring a suprise for Michael Barlow? certainly an upgrade on M.jones/Grimes in terms of depth and a very experienced player still playing reasonable footy

effectively we've bought in Lewis, Hibberd, Weideman and some later picks which i think is a great result for a team on the edge of finals

It's interesting because Damo is saying the opposite.

There was a bit of talk around that Essendon wanted this years picks so they could package a few up and have a crack at O'meara perhaps now that's not a factor they'll be more receptive to our 2017 pick, we need a deal breaker, because they will just wait this out and force our hand as it sits, we'd have to be willing to lose Hibberd to take that chance

Hahaha wishful thinking

Essendon are known to be horrible to deal with in trade week which is why i suspect noone has had a crack at pick 1, they overvalue everything. they need to understand they did the wrong thing by Hibbo and in part caused him to miss 12 months of his career, they owe it to him to not be tools about this, a future second round pick for him given he's missed 12 months is extremely fair.

Interesting you mention this, the Swans are very keen on a ball user on half back, obviously Hibberd isn't the one they're keen on but i reckon they'll be sniffing around Salem.

As tends to happen in trade week i suspect a curve ball has come alone, i still personally believe the deal you suggested is what will get done

Here is how i suspect the AFL meeting over Jobes brownlow will go... Gil: So Jobe, your appeal failed, why do you think you deserve to keep your brownlow medal/believe you personify what the award stands for Jobe: I don't believe i did anything wrong, i didn't cheat, i didn't take anything illegal. Gil: Oh we believe you, it's just that pesky WADA seems to think your did. Jobe: WADA is a stoopid head Gil: we agree, they threatened to cost us money to try and promote something called "Clean sport" hahah what a joke, anyway, back to the subject Jobe: the dog ate my records Gil: Good enough for me, it's nice to know that Sometimes justice can work, why don't you have a second brownlow for being such a good sport? Jobe: thanks lad, off to get a quick jab and then i'll be straight back into training.

Lets be honest, if you want to become the laughing stock of sport around the world this is a good way to do it Hey guys, our 2012 league best and FAIREST is also a convicted drug cheat in the same year. it's embarrassing that the AFL didn't tell Jobe if the appeal failed he'd have to hand it back, this situation is black and white, it's Jobes job to prove he is innocent not the other way around.

The AFL was always going to fight it every step of the way, i reckon the plan was always for them to be not guilty at the tribunal making it extremely difficult to overrule that verdict.

Really? this totally escapes me, unless they didn't want to know, i can't understand why they wouldn't ask.

SAM'S BROWNLOW OR NOT? Manager Peter Lenton: Sam was given the opportunity to present to the AFL why he should get the Brownlow (if Jobe stripped), but he didn't want to do that. why the hell should Mitchell have to present a case, he's the highest vote getter of 2012 that isn't guilty of using Performance enhancing drugs, the fact he hasn't got it around his neck already is embarrassing, the AFL is just digging a deeper and deeper hole. Rory Sloane could have missed a brownlow this year for a 2 second brain fade that barely left a bruise but Jobe can potentially keep his despite being found guilty of cheating.