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AFL is reporting we also got pick 37 from GCS ? Quite a haul with their 2026 1st and only giving up 24 and 28 with Trac

Very happy to death ride GCS and watch the smug, heartless Hardwick suffer!

I don't know about abuse but that is how it works. Its up to the player and manager to negotiate a new contract with the new club. The new club does not have to take the terms of the contract with the old club. If you mean GWS end up paying less than the 'nominal' value of Oliver's contract after deducting the mfc portion, yes that can and probably will happen particularly as Oliver said last year he would take a pay cut if we traded him - the pay cut was with Geelong not with mfc.

JUH's contract at WBD was for one more year. Oliver's is another 5 years.. A club can renegotiate a contract with a player when traded in which is what GCS have done. Every chance GWS will with Oliver but that contract stands separate to Oliver's contract with us for our $ portion til 2030. Once mfc $ for Oliver's contract are decided, I wouldn't be surprised if GWS re-write Oliver's contract. Less money overall, less guaranteed $, more $ incentives and behaviour clauses.

Morris can't count very well. A GWS F3 in 2026 will be around pick 60. Its 2027 even higher. Doesn't look like a steal at all. Embellishment ++++ by Morris

Surely, there is room for them in a $6.0m to $7.0m 'war chest'!!! From what we know so far Tassie will have a 'sign on bonus' fund for players but not sure if they have a higher TPP. They can't pay overs for everyone. And they will have to trade for them. If we are succeeding those guys won't want to go. Lets wait and see.

True we don't. But we need to do everything we can to change that and having a 'war chest' will help especially Vic players in other states. If we get our act as a club and on field performance that will be so much easier. Otherwise, yes we remain a middling club. I'd rather have the 'war chest' than not.

Hawks play a 'no holds barred' game at trade time. Renegged on a deal with WCE in 2024. Courted their captain. Courted Ess captain. And they wait until 24 hours before the deadline to give Ess what is essentially a pick only deal which they could have tabled a week ago. Deliberately timed to squeeze Ess into giving Merrett up cheaply. Low life tactics! I hope there is footy karma for them in the coming years.

I said it was a guess for Gus! If it is out by $300-$400k doesn't detract from the point that subsiding Clarrie at GWS won't affect our list management plans.

For those worried about paying Oliver approx $700k it will not impact us much if at all. Trac's contract of about $1.3 gone in 2025 Part of Oliver's contract of about $1.3m gone in 2025 May's contract of about $900 will be gone in 2026 at the latest. Gawn's contract of about $1.0++. will end when he retires, probably end of 2027 Gus subsidy (guessing $300k-$500k) will end about 2027-2028 Viney contract of around $1.0m will end around 2028 Lever may retire so his contract of approx $800k will end in 2028 That is about $6.0m-$7.0m reduction in player payments over the next 3 years. So, we will have a 'war chest' to reward our talent and attract players while covering the Oliver payment particularly if it is fixed $. It may hurt to see Oliver being undervalued in a trade but it won't hurt our list management forward.

His contract of $1m in 2022 is as a % of TPP. In the latest 2023 CBA it will go up by about 35% by 2027. So next year his contract will be in the region of $1.3m - $1.4m. His contract is until 2030 by which time there will be another CBA and presumably another TPP increase. It is reported he will then be on around $1.7m. That may be a bit on the high side but still significant especially for a player who has been under performing and will be in his 30's in the latter years of the contract. If it was backended it will be even higher in the coming years. Hopefully, we negotiate a $ figure with GWS eg $700k rather than % because the latter could get rather ugly by 2030.

In part, yes. We had the Petracca drama, Viney rumoured to be going to North, a President in the hot seat, a CEO wanting to trade Oliver. The club was under siege in the media. It took the path of least resistance. The club has known of Oliver's off-field issues for many many years. And rightly protected and cared for him but there comes a time when that wasn't the best for Oliver's welfare but no-one (except Pert) was willing to make the hard decision.

I don't know.

His mental health may have been and be a lot better if we had. He is a country lad and liked the idea of living on a farm. He asked to be traded there. As I said I think we did him a disservice by not trading him for our own selfish PR reasons. And this is what it has come to.

Its easy to see why the club didn't trade him last year; same reason we extended Viney's and Gawn's contracts when there was no need to. The club was in damage control and needed good optics and to look 'stable'. Hence those decisions. It was a cop out by the FD and the Board. They all knew what was happening and ignored it. We did Oliver a great disservice by not trading him last year. Who knows how much better he would be in all respects living on a farm far away and protected from the media spotlight.

But we will take the deal as offered. We have no choice.

Correct. Pert knew what had to be done and why. But Clarry's protectors closed ranks and Clarry stayed only for there be no value in a trade 12 months later. Very, very sad for everyone..

That sounds like an impassioned plea, Wells. Sadly, we can't. Too many bridges burnt over time. And after the dummy spit reaction to the meeting to discuss his role can't see him wanting to come back.

But is it their first? A F3 offer has been floating around for over a week with discussion on % salary split to be had. I have little doubt we tried to improve that offer. But as I said, we have no bargaining power at all and GWS dug their heels in: Take it or take him back!

GWS know we won't take Oliver back and he won't go anywhere else. We take what we are given.

Hard to believe GWS don't have the cap space to take Oliver's non mfc salary. They would have roughly known the amount before wooing him on the boat. It is probably just a ploy to get mfc to take on more of his salary!

Whatever the deal is for Trac it is done and dusted and proabably has been for a few days.! The AFL is holding back an annoucnement to create suspense and anticipation for the last hours of Trade Week. The same for Curnow and maybe the 'go slow' with Merrett.

Fox footy is saying the trade reported by Morris is different to the one reported by The Age. Nine’s Tom Morris reports: ND 9 and, F1 (2026) and, 2nd round pick (2025/2026), and Hustwaite The Age reported a ND 9 and, F1 (2026), and Either: 2nd round pick (2027) + ND 62 OR Hustwaite type player and swap of later picks Don't know which is right ... would love Morris to be wrong 😁 but the GCS pick offer for Petracca is better than either of those even allowing for a pick going back to them.

The Scott assistant wasn't in the wings at the time of the mfc coaching gig. King had no problem choosing between Scott assistant and Dee's main guy! As noted in my earlier post, agree with you it was most probably at AFL 'suggestion'. So 'parachuted' into the job!

Reading between the lines two things worked against him with mfc: thinking the game plan doesn't matter much when mfc had wanted a more attacking style. He is terribly out of date on technology and its use in every facet of coaching. Simply put he isn't experienced enough in today's coaching and what is important. I wonder if the AFL 'suggested' to him to get some current experience before taking over Tassie, if it ever happens.