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He doesn't sound convincing in keeping Humphrey. It will probably be decided in the coming days and like other years to give Trade Radio and the 'echo chamber' media something to 'echo' about, the AFL will arrange to hold it up until late on Wednesday. They will probably do the same with other high profile trades Curnow and maybe Merrett. The posturing is all about click bait for the AFL!

You are doing a great job and it isn't easy keeping it current especially at this time of year.

We could. It simply depends on what is negotiated with GWS/Pies/? on picks/players/$

We didn't push him out. The meeting was arranged the day before to be in his manager's office. Clarry's role was the agenda. The Manger would have given Clarry a heads up on what could happen with a new coach/CEO etc. He was happy to stay on his terms, in his chosen role because he wasn't held accountable at mfc and most of those that had protected him (Green, Gawn, Richardson) are still at the club to somewhat cushion the impact of a new coach. He has had 2 years to repay the faith, His off field behaviour was well know to the club when he signed his mega contract in mid 2022. Sadly, 'leopards don't change their spots' applies.

I fear there is more angst on its way. GWS will redo Oliver's contract with whatever terms they agree. Oliver said last year he would take a cut to move out. If he does that with GWS and we did say we would pay 'up to $700k' we will end up paying the lion's share of his contract for 5 years. Given yesterday's comments I doubt he is amenable to ease the $ impact on mfc. A case in point. If GCS take JUH with a very late pick they will redo his contract from $900k to $300k-$400k. Not saying that is what GWS will pay Oliver but fans need to be prepared to news mfc foots the lion's share of the contract. Edit: same applies if he ends up at Coll and takes a pay cut which would make our payment so much more 🤮

I bet you already know this but I will humour you to highlight your point 🙂that it is a good deal in comparison. Pick 28, that was used as 'steak knives' for the pick trade with Ess for their 2025 pick 9 which eventually netted Lindsay.

Agreed. The points reference was for those that thought 23 was a very bad deal.

Just for the record. Last week 23 was 19 then the AFL started handing out compensation and priority picks. 23 will slide further but it will always be the first pick of the 2nd round which as I noted above, carries a premium for whoever holds it!

Not sure what people are complaining about. A top of the 2nd round draft pick is not too shabby. And if it is WCE ND23 it is the first pick in the 2nd round - a highly valued and in high demand at the start of the 2nd night of the draft. So I hope we hold it until then as traditionally clubs pay overs to draft any sliders from the first round. Also, the trade people here wanted ND 12 for our pick 27 and McVee in points terms is approx ND 25. ND23 is a better result no matter how one looks at. ps I'm still shattered at losing him🥹

Very disrespectful of Coll to go public with an offer before getting mfc's ok. Probably a tactic to pressure mfc into agreeing. Their sense of entitlement knows no bounds! Delighted we are standing firm and knocked the idea back immediately.

Historically, an assistant coach role at another club can be vetoed by existing club if it is not a promotion. Poor form by Pies to offer it without getting agreement that he will be released from his contract. It embarrasses everyone if/when it is turned down. I reckon it is McCrae putting the pressure on mfc to refuse the role rather than do the right thing and negotiate with the club. He is such a sleazy weasel!

They bring the same skill set. Merrett idea of leadership: captain walks out on struggling club, teammates and fans. And Hawks have plenty of leaders backing up Sicily.

Was simply posting how Hawks can do a Humphrey deal. That aside Hawks can be nasty to deal with. Last year WCE were hesitating over the Barass trade so they withdrew there offer which forced WCE to dilute ND#2 and ended up trading Barass to Hawks for a lesser dealer than originally offered. It is clear Hawks don't play fair in trades or in wooing oppostion players. Long way to go ... and I'm not convinced that if he leaves GCS that he will come to us.

One of them is telling porkies!

They can cool on Merrett and chase Humphrey instead. And they have ND8 as the base for a trade. Humphrey is a far superior get than Merrett.

At times I don't know why I bother presenting facts:

I think we need one of those 'Fact Checking' threads🙃. Trac's first placing was as a 21 year old in 2017 when he came 7th. It was his second year as he missed 2015 with an ACL injury. Quite an achievement as he was competing with Jones, Viney, Oliver etc.

Very little benefit. Realistically, no matter what we do we won't get much for Oliver. Grundy was traded to us for a second round pick (iirc high 20's) and they paid $600k for 4-5 years and Grundy didn't have the baggage Oliver has. We on traded Grundy to Sydney for a similar pick with Pies paying the $600k pa That is the benchmark for Oliver and as unpalatable as it is, fans need to get used to mfc not getting much of a return.

To preserve the Charlie FA compensation pick.

Just using this post as an example: I reckon picks around ND40 will come in a long way this year because the many top rated academy and F/S players will use up lots of picks in the 25 to 40 range. Specifically on Oliver to the Pies they will probably want to do a trade for Mihocek!!!! I put nothing past them! But I hope he goes to GWS as imv he doesn't need the scrutiny that comes with the pies and those fans turning on him if it doesn't go well early on. Also, at GWS I can barrack for him as I do Jesse!

The same goes for the suggested Merrett picks. My astonishment is they think Merrett is worth a player and another first round pick more than Petracca.

So pick 7 and a slide up of a few draft spots for Petracca!!! Yet for Merrett they think: -Essendon receives Henry Hustwaite, Pick 8, Pick 29, 2026 first-round pick -Hawthorn receives Zach Merrett, 2026 second-round pick Setting aside the pick swaps they reckon Merrett is worth a top 10 pick plus another first round pick plus a player. Yet Merrett is the same age and other than being captain of a craap team and 6 BnF because the team is craap there is no way the two trade scenarios make sense. He has also gone scorched earth on his club. I have no idea what those guys are on!

My guess is if Mihocek comes as an FA it would wipe out or dilulte the Charlie FA pick. If he comes as a trade then we keep the Charlie pick. Once the BM 'trade' is decided we will know the compensation pick for Charlie.

. Its a bit 'smoke and mirrors'. There has been a small reduction in the points needed to match a bid. The discount on those points is now 10% not 20% (why they give any discount is beyond me!) The points attached to draft picks ends at end of round 3 (nominally 54) whereas it was end of round 5 (nominally) 72. Imv it isn't that much fairer as clubs will still trade out their top picks and will stock pile picks to match bids ie picks in 20'w and 30's rather than previously 40+. This will be much easier with future trading of 2026 and 2027 picks. Again, imv the AFL should revert to the system where a club could not hold more picks than list spots. Without that limitation it is just another free kick for such clubs. For more detailed info: the-example-that-shows-how-matching-bids-will-be-harder-in-2025 Where it might help other clubs is that picks in the 30's and low 40's will come in a long

@Demonland Would you like to lock the joint thread to avoid lots of repetition with these and their respective player review threads.